Tinidril

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Biden’s narrative was that we need to have a big raise in corporate taxes, spend almost a trillion dollars finally doing something about climate change, bring domestic manufacturing back to the US and give people working-class jobs again.

That was his sales pitch, and one that I am totally behind, but those are promises, not a narrative. His "big raise" proposal wouldn't even return rates to where they were before Trump slashed them. Policy promises sell to policy wonks, but most policy wonks are tired of two steps back, one step forward.

When I say narrative, think of a movie plot. Narratives require a hero and a villain. Had Biden framed multinational corporations as the villain, and set himself up as the hero that would take them on, then he would have had a narrative, but that's not in his nature. (Which is part of what qualified him for establishment and corporate media backing in the 2020 primary.) Biden would have been a perfectly good Democrat back in the 90s when people were a lot more optimistic about their futures, but that was no longer sufficient. In the 2020 general the Republicans handed him a monster to slay in Trump's complete failure to address the epidemic, but that story was old by the 2024 sequel.

like that inflation was all his fault

Yeah, that was unfortunate and complete bullshit. Whatever philosophical differences I have with Biden, we was certainly a competent manager of the economy. The inflation wasn't even all that bad, only lasted a couple months, and America kept it lower than anyplace else in the western world. However, a more aggressive and energetic candidate, maybe even a younger Biden, could have gotten that message out. I don't want to dwell on that too much though, because that's too specific to the 2024 election. Anyways, there will always be something that goes wrong and hurts an incumbent.

But the Democrats didn’t get this way overnight or by accident. It happened on purpose, through natural selection and legalized bribery and threat.

Yes, a lot of it was externally driven, but it was also a strategy choice going back to right after Republicans embraced the southern strategy. A great easy read on the topic is "Listen Liberal" by Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter with Kansas?". Democrats made a conscious decision to abandon working class Americans in favor of urban professionals. It wasn't a slow devolution, it was a pivot.

And, also, any time they do do something good, someone like you comes along and makes sure to shit all over it and “call balls and strikes” and try to “put it in context” and try to cancel it back out again.

I guarantee you that Republican voters aren't listening to someone like me. Also, my language before a general election is quite a bit different than after. This is the time for Democrats to learn and refocus to doing better next time. I don't compromise my principals before an election, but I spend a lot more time pointing out that whatever flaws the Democrats have, they are miles better than any Republican.

Despite your assumptions, I do a lot of posts defending Biden when he's being treated unfairly. I also frequently comment about Trump and the Republicans, but not as much because the internet is absolutely flooded with comments like you describe. It just feels redundant to keep pointing out how shitty Trump is. For a while I was pointing out that he was going to be worse than many people expected, but I think the hive mind is pretty much caught up on that now. I also post differently on Lemmy than on other social media. Lemmy is mostly a left leaning space, so there is not as much reason to attack Trump here. On other platforms I spend a whole lot more time debunking Republican lies than anything else.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Have I said anything that's not true?

I have no particular personal animosity towards Biden or Harris, except perhaps their handling of the 2024 campaign - and I put that way more on Biden than Harris. I do, however, think that Democrats need to accept that they lost to Trump twice now and start grappling with the question of how they failed so spectacularly. It's easy to blame MAGA and voter apathy, but how does that lead to better outcomes in the future? What led to the sociological problems that gave rise to the far right in the first place? How did a populace that voted in the first black president suddenly become so racist and bigoted again? Maybe we can blame Republican disinformation, but I don't see that going away any time soon. The question we have to ask is, what did Democrats do, or not do, that contributed or made things easier for the Republicans? That's the important question, because it's the one thing Democrats can actually do something about.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago

For the record, I already acknowledged what he did as president in a response to another reply. Biden was quite a bit better as president than I thought he would be (for good historical reasons) and I give him full credit for that.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

If someone in the Democratic party did turn himself on a personal level into something capable of going good things, why would you want to emphasize how shit he was 30 years ago?

Much better than shit is still a far cry from being ready to deal with a rising fascist movement. I knew it would be a disaster the moment Biden won the 2020 primary. Still, he did surprise me in a whole lot of positive ways, and credit where credit is due.

Speaking only of winning elections and nothing else, the problem the Democrats have electorally is that there is no way to package and sell their neoliberalism. To a right minded policy wonk, Democrats are always the right choice, but most voters aren't policy wonks.

Getting elected requires a strong narrative. The story Democrats offer is "history is over and it's all minor improvements from here". That works OK when things are good, but when people are struggling it comes across very differently. Hillary's "America is already great!" is a perfect example, but she has a real nack for being out of touch. The only time Democrats have a narrative is when Republicans do something awful, which requires Republicans to be in power. This, we keep flipping parties.

Trump's narrative in 2024 looked a whole lot more like the classic hero's journey than I have seen in 50 years. Attacked relentlessly from all sides with his demise predicted constantly, he somehow kept moving forward. Meanwhile, I don't know what the hell to make of Kamala's story.

The usual split is a lot less dramatic but, Republicans always have a narrative with heroes and villains, and Democrats rarely do. People want to know why productivity goes up and up and life just keeps getting harder. The Republicans offer an answer, it's the immigrants, or it's trans people in the showers with your kid, or it's DEI treating you unfairly. Democrats have a much better and truer answer, but they won't articulate it because the oligarchs who fund them won't like it. So, the answer from Democrats is a whimper.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

I don't know why ~~you're~~ you were being downvoted, you're absolutely right.

I think you just answered your own question. :)

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago (21 children)

That would be relevant if Biden were currently president

LOL, is Reagan currently President? Read what I replied to before telling me if my comment is relevant.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That sounds too sciency for most Americans.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Cities hosting the WC almost never recoup their investments. Sure, it's a windfall for a select few, but it is a bad investment for everyone else.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago (42 children)

Joe Biden was the Senator most responsible for making those loans undismissible. There is plenty of blame to go around.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

'vicious' meaning black or brown with any kind of accent.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 2 months ago

It's relevant to why it didn't matter.

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