Lugh

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Here's the robots in action.

I wonder how far away we are from humanoid robots that can perform most unskilled or semi-skilled work? Cleaning, factory work, stacking shelves etc etc

When you look at this it doesn't seem that far away.

I would also guess that if Chinese manufacturers can make and sell hatchback cars for 10,000 dollars they will be able to make robots like this for less.

When that day comes, we will very quickly have a new type of society and economy, though who knows what that will look like.

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More and more it looks like the Western world's embrace of neoliberalism was a catastrophic mistake. Its guiding principle is that capital and the markets are always right, and governments/the people should have no say in what they do. After decades of this, manufacturing and industry have fled to where capital & the markets can get the cheapest labor, leaving most Western countries hollowed out and deindustrialized.

COVID exposed a fresh weakness in this model of organizing economies, but now there's yet another disadvantage coming to light. By making China the world's manufacturing HQ, it is handing it the crown of the planet's No 1 in technology.

By rapidly becoming the world's leading car maker, China is in gear to become the world's leading robotics nation. Add to that, it's also arguably already the world's leading AI nation.

Some people in Western countries see this in terms of wars and arms races, but maybe the solution is to look within at home and dump neoliberalism?

 

US Big Tech wants to eliminate the federal government administered by humans, and replace it with AI. Amid all the talk that has generated one aspect has gone relatively unreported. None of the AI they want to replace the humans with actually works.

AI is still plagued by widespread simple and basic errors in reasoning. Furthermore, there is no path to fixing this problem. Tinkering with training data has provided some improvements, but it has not fixed the fundamental problem. AI lacks the ability to independently reason.

'Move fast and break things' has always been a Silicon Valley mantra. It seems increasingly that is the way the basic functions of administering the US state will be run too.

 

What is more important on the path to AGI - scaling and more training data, or fundamental breakthroughs in AI software developed by humans?

Many people believe it is the former, though Deepseek itself arose from the latter.

If training data is to be significant then Tencent may have given itself a huge boost. WeChat is the biggest and most used app on the planet. The Google suite of products is the only thing comparable in western countries. However, Western countries are starting to split into AI walled gardens, so Google won't be able to take full advantage of all its users.

It may not matter. Some people believe scaling alone won't be enough to get to AGI. Some smart humans somewhere will need to figure out breakthroughs in AI software - and that could happen anywhere.

 

Although tariffs might slow things down, the ultimate destiny of the world's robotaxis is probably to be cheap, electric and made in China. This week, BYD the maker of the $9,500 Seagull hatchback said it will make Level 2 self-driving standard on all its cars, including it.

When cars this cheap are self-driving and taxis, it will mean there is little point for many people to own a car. Why, if the few hundred kms/miles you drive a month costs a fraction of car ownership?

Ryan Johnson, the developer of Culdesac, thinks this trend is already helping it, and will ripple out to change the way more and more people live in cities.

Current state of Waymo in Phoenix

  • Now regularly seeing my social circle, male and female, looking to it first

  • Parents now comfortable sending their kids to school and elsewhere. This is a major vibe shift. Early on, women solo riders were the loudest champions. But parents are overtaking that. Effusive praise e.g. “I have my freedom back!”

  • Biggest impediment to growth is that they go slower. Which of course is because they don’t speed and don’t run red lights

  • Perception that Waymo makes other drivers drive safer

  • Now regularly seeing Waymo convoys

  • First anecdote effect dissipating. When someone sees their first minor error from Waymo, it is jarring. But then a long time elapses until they see their second. And that builds intuition that it is rare, and points the finger at how much more common errors are from human drivers

  • People are asking when they can order Waymo via either Lyft or Uber

  • People seeing how fast the AI tools are improving is bringing the “Waymo right now is the worst it will ever be” conclusion

Phoenix is Waymo’s most mature market, now 8 years into public availability. It’s a big reason why we chose Phoenix (Tempe) for the first Culdesac.

The May 2023 launch of the Jaguar platform was a seminal moment in the history of AV Ridehail going mainstream. And AV Ridehail is going to drive the largest change to cities in decades.

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submitted 4 months ago by Lugh to c/futurology
[–] Lugh 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also, current LLMs are great at modelling best practices.

Most disease diagnosis, even rare diseases, follows predictable paths. Human doctors would have to have superhuman memories to do as well.

What's more exciting to me is that this knowledge is now free. Free as in beer.

People talk of UBI, but what about universal services that cost nothing?

[–] Lugh 11 points 7 months ago

It's a no from me. I suspect as the US gets more deregulated for AI, it will be more no's from people around the world.

[–] Lugh 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Now that scaling is hitting a wall, it will be interesting to see what methods like this continue AI's progress.

[–] Lugh 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The company's website says they are using generative AI too.

They are using it to generate virtual environments to train the self-driving AI. Waymo is using generative AI to do the same.

[–] Lugh 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This will be a great way to channel vast sums of money from the American taxpayer to rich elites, for which the taxpayer will see little or nothing in return. Something the US public are about to see a lot more of.

[–] Lugh 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

While people usually focus on carbon neutrality, I often think decentralization is renewables' most underappreciated aspect. Everything it touches can happen at the home and community level. The Haber-Bosch process is the epitome of the 20th century large scale heavy industry model. Now here is a solution replacing it at the level of individual farms.

I suspect much of robotics will be decentralized too, and with that, they may decentralize automated manufacturing. In a few decades, it may seem quaint that people shipped so many things halfway around the world.

[–] Lugh 13 points 7 months ago

Now that the new US administration is about to gut AI regulations, this idea gets even worse.

[–] Lugh -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

He said it again a few days ago on a Reddit AMA.

Perhaps the most interesting comment from Altman was about the future of AGI - artificial general intelligence. Seen by many as the ‘real’ AI, this is an artificial intelligence model that could rival or even exceed human intelligence. Altman has previously declared that we could have AGI within "a few thousand days".

When asked by a Reddit user whether AGI is achievable with known hardware or it will take something entirely different, Altman replied: “We believe it is achievable with current hardware.”

https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/chatgpt-5-wont-be-coming-in-2025-according-to-sam-altman-but-superintelligence-is-achievable-with-todays-hardware

[–] Lugh 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Why are they making it so needlessly complicated? They can just use existing highways and vehicles with Level 4 self-driving. They don't need new separate roads.

That said, this points to the future. Even if true Level 5 self-driving is several years off, there is plenty Level 4 can do now. That includes all cargo driving on highways. I doubt most trucker jobs have long to go. Some will say they are needed for last-mile delivery. Some companies are soon going to figure out a profitable system for having human drivers locally for that, but self-driving vehicles for the long stints on highways.

[–] Lugh 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Will we see a day when manually driving a car is as illegal and socially unacceptable as driving drunk or without a seatbelt? I'd guess so. Tech like this will become standardized along the way to full Level 5 self-driving.

There's a whole demographic of people aged 80+ who face restrictions on their driving as they age further. I would expect Volkswagen and others to be marketing car software along these lines tailored to their needs and problems.

[–] Lugh 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why would people be eager to have a place like them joining the fedi?

If BlueSky were federated it would mean you could move to another server and keep the followers you built there. All the Big Tech offerings keep you locked in, and at risk of losing the work you put in at their whim.

[–] Lugh 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Apart from getting funded by crypto-bros, BlueSky promised to allow federation, and hasn't. Seems any time VCs or talk of IPOs happens, the only way is down.

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