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I'd love to see a chart showing disposable income. Something tells me the rosy picture of the economy is for a segment and overall things are worse.

Who cares how well the stock market is doing if we all got mass fired to make it happen

…highest rate of economic growth among nations in the G7, the lowest inflation, and the strongest wage growth. The unemployment rate hasn’t been this low for this long in half a century. Even accounting for inflation, wages are higher today than they were before the coronavirus pandemic…

Yo, can some of this wage growth trickle down to me already? Nobody in my circles is even getting standard merit raises, never mind the 6%+ each year we’d need to stay ahead of inflation. Most companies seem to be withholding raises, and enshittifying existing policies, as an underhanded way to get people to quit without doing actual layoffs.

In fact, I suspect slate is just making this up entirely, based on anecdotal experience. They go on to claim that the big recipients of these wage increases are the lowest paid workers. Does that mean minimum wage earners got some 50% increase to now make $12/hr? News flash: that still doesn’t afford you groceries in today’s economy.

Lmao.

Yet more people who make too much money to be connected to reality wondering why the commoners are complaining.

It's because the economy is not good for them. It's really that simple. Shit is expensive and most people did not get pay raises. Most of the ones that did get raises haven't gotten enough to tackle the increases in food, rent, and utility prices. People are working full time and slipping into homelessness through no fault of their own.

And we have this gaslighting bullshit blasted at us every day like we don't have eyes of our own and brains to think with.

Good? I’m definitely not making what I should be, adjusted for inflation (23.6%). I’m not even asking to make MORE just literally what I made in 2018, adjusted. I was fine right there.

so i read the article and all the coments here, as well as most of the cited links and some other articles i thought would help. im not an economist but i know most of you aren’t either.

are we just allergic to admitting the economy might just be mid?

why are we so horny to say JOE BIDEN GOOD or JOE BIDEN BAD? when really it’s quite clear that many many things are bad, many people lost jobs, people are struggling, people are scared AND ALSO it could be a lot worse, because we’ve seen it be a lot worse in recent history?

and everyone railing against Biden in these comments: so are we cool with voting third party? letting the spoiler effect spoil? shudder voting Trump? what are your intentions? the primaries are over. the time to set up a third line to the trolley problem is past.

what are we doing? maybe we should pick a better struggle.

go unionize your workplace. go help out your neighbors and friends, go and participate in local government. vote for biden to minimize the violence that will inevitably occur. plant a garden for your community. support local artists who might be disabled or unable to work. tip your waiter. be decent? be kind. i don’t know im literally just a girl. whatever

I guess the economy really is doing great. Which is somehow worse, because if this is what a good economy looks like I don't want to imagine what a bad one looks like.

Two thirds of people can't handle a $500 expense. Three quarters don't have a month of expenses saved. And a third of people making over $100,000 a year are living paycheck to paycheck. (Source 2023)

So maybe the problem isn't that the economy is broken and needs fixed, but that it's working correctly and needs replaced.

In this thread: "Biden did not have a 1-on-1 conversation with my manager that resulted in a massive raise, so I declare these statistics invalid!"

This seems to happen a lot on Lemmy, makes me miss the Economics subreddit.

I know that not everyone has had the opportunity to take classes in economics, but the amount of people who are unable to see past their own nose is incredible.

How would we prefer our leaders to make policy decisions? Should they pick a random 10 people and ask what they think, or would it be better to gather a wide range of data on the topic to build an understanding of the economic impacts for 300M+ people? I'd argue that it would be irresponsible for policymakers to ignore the aggregate statistics, but commenters in this thread seem dead set on asserting that because their personal circumstances don't follow the narrative, the statistics must be a lie.

Because the economy sucks for everyone who isn't a landlord or investor.

Biden doesn't get the credit because from a purely pocketbook perspective, prices are still going up.

Telling the average citizen "Hey, you know, inflation is only 3%, not 9.9% like it was..."

They're going "Yeah, but it's an extra 3% ON TOP of the 9%."

And yeah, there's a lot of factors... corporate greed, bird flu raising the price of eggs, etc. etc. The average person doesn't care about that, all they care is their weekly grocery bill keeps going up and there's no sign of it coming back down.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-prices-and-spending/

"Average annual food-at-home prices were 5.0 percent higher in 2023 than in 2022. For context, the 20-year historical level of retail food price inflation is 2.5 percent per year."

Good time to buy pork though I guess!

Yeah, whatever, please vote Biden because FFS do we really need to explain what happens if he loses?

Bash on him all you want starting 2025, force his hand to do better, but right now is NOT the time for this crap.

How many times do we need to spell it out for you finance bros before you get it? The working class does not care about how Wallstreet is performing. The working class does not care about your cherry-picked misrepresentations of macroeconomic issues, nor do they trust them. The working class cares about the price of their grocery bill and the cost of housing, both of which have seen record increases in the last 4 years. You can shake your heads all you want and blame social media but until we dont have to chose between paying for medication or paying for groceries we are not going to buy any of the BS you are selling.

Housing was not mentioned, and it is shit, what else was not included here?

• How has the Lorenz curve shifted over the past 30 years?

• What percentage of people's income is going on housing?

• What percentage of people :

• are living with food insecurity, or are reliant on food banks and other charities?

• are living with their parents as adults?

• need second jobs in order to afford basic necessities?

• are in casual, gig or otherwise insecure employment?

• cannot afford adequate healthcare?

• will never own their own home?

All broken down by percentile, please. And how have those numbers shifted over the last 30 years?

They conveniently underlined all the bullshit.

For example:

Highest rate of economic growth (reflecting even more of the wealth being distributed among the Uber wealthy)

Lowest inflation (not counting housing, healthcare, energy or food)

Strongest wage growth (maybe in nominal terms if you ignore the actual increase in the cost of essential goods and services putting people behind where they were pre-pandemic)

Biggest wage gain among lowest paid workers (who still make less than they did before 2019 and somehow overlooking that almost all the gains in the economy since 2019 went to a few specific billionaires)

Lowest unemployment in x years ( they just keep redefining unemployment so that instead of it meaning 'people who can't find enough gainful employment to pay essential bills', we limit it to people that have no job right now but did in the last six months and have made x number of applications while not collecting any income. It's a damn joke)

They say "accounting for inflation" but then you have to remember their definition of inflation does not count housing, healthcare, energy or food so it's nonsense anyway.

The wealth gap is wider now than 2018. I don't even know where this claim that people are better off or the wealth gap is shrinking comes from... oh they got a 6% raise and inflation in sensible terms (not even counting housing and healthcare but including energy and food) is close to 9%.

And the black unemployment rate much like the unemployment rate itself is a cooked number that ignores most of the people that are black and unemployed/underemployed. It just doesn't give a shit if you can eat, have a place to live or can afford to go to the doctor, it just cares if you have a job right now or if you recently did and are still looking.

I am on my phone so I haven't had a chance to look up the disability unemployment claim, but as someone that lives with and supports people with disabilities, this might actually be real. Remote work is a real social revolution and it is making lives better.

My point is, as long as articles like this used continue to use cooked books to justify rose tinted viewings they will continue to think Americans are just ungrateful and ignorant of how great things are.

Dishonest stuff like this undermines the credibility of revenue driven media and leads to blurring the lines between a community getting high on hopium and Trump's firehose of bullshit.