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It is 'nearly unavoidable' that AI will cause a financial crash within a decade, SEC head says::undefined

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So do I collect my economic Bingo winnings after the 4th or 5th major crash of my adult lifetime?

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You win the chance to afford to eat human or expired cat food you found on the body of someone you shot over a pair of worn boots.

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[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm afraid your bingo winnings are going to be confiscated by the government in order to pay for more golden parachutes for the CEOs whose decisions led us here.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is it because replacing employees with AI results in a never-ending cascade where your stupid system doesn't keep consuming because AI don't consume and won't get paid?

Or is it because using AI will result in the climate to continually become more inhospitable?

Maybe it will be because AI will be used to create more and more believable misinformation that results in WW3?

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[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bears have predicted 100 of the last 3 market crashes

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 year ago

Yeah.

It's a casino, and a lot of these folks are no smarter than a retiree rubbing troll dolls on their favorite slot machine.

The solution is to realign markets to human needs. The is no productive benefit to high speed trading. There is no benefit to stock by backs. We need to reign in most of the nonsense that these financial services institutions do.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This meme gets funnier and funnier every time I read it!

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And then we finally eat the rich, right?

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sorry, the best we can do is a small marginal tax increase on income over $1M and a 50¢ bump to the minimum wage.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Better spread out that wage increase over a reasonable period of time, like 10-25 years. Wouldn't want to burden the precious job creators out there.

/s

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've been fucking with automated trading for decades though, unless you're going to try to convince me that there's a human investing in a trillionth of a company for a hundredth of a second at a time.

It's already caused "flash crashes" before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_flash_crash

The idea of investing in companies because you believe in them and want a share of their profits is sound enough I guess, but what it's morphed into is nonsense. The result is a system where you have trillion dollar companies that never actually turn a profit in favour of "growth".

[–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, they tried to blamed it on one autistic dude trading from his parent's apartment in London?

  1. WTF
  2. He was the most powerful man in the world for 30 minutes according to them, lmao. Why can't my personal issues give me super powers?
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love how they always mention the autism, as if being a mathematical genius is a common symptom, rather than just being able to remember every episode of Naruto.

[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Hey did you know the specific heat of water is 4.184 j/g°c because i learned that once in a physics class more than a decade ago and i still remember.

I am not a physicist and the memorization of that fact does not help me. Thanks brain.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The crash is already in motion and it was not AI that caused it. This is just getting us ready for who to blame when it crashes.

Many stocks have been far oversold and there is no way to reset it without the rich losing it all.

This is how they will reset it and protect the rich.

[–] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this before or after it destroys the economy for everyone but the super rich by replacing them and making them compete for fewer and fewer scraps? Sorry, there will be lots more new jobs created by AI probably, like AI wrangler, AI safety consultant and the like. Probably.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I always have a laughing fit whenever I see “Prompt engineer” used unironically in a job posting on LinkedIn.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also think the term is granted way too much prestige, but a bit over a decade ago people also laughed at the notion of "Social Media Manager" being a real, high paying job

Who knows where this stuff will go

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Even today the term Social media manager is still conflated with graphic designer, sales representative, customer information management, publishing, copywriter, photographer and creative writing, all the time.

[–] sweetcuppincakes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just applied for a Prompt Engineer job last week!

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Honestly, it's a legit position. Maybe not something that will last a long time, but to do it well you need to know what prompts to give.

The average person might put "cat on a speed boat" whereas someone's job would need to know what "bokeh" is, what kind of camera lens you want to simulate with what F-stop, know the rule of thirds, negative space, etc.

The problem is whether someone is willing to pay for that extra knowledge or get their nephew to pump something out on their iPhone then say it's good enough.

[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have... feelings about LLMs being the big thing in AI/ml right now.... because its really not much new. Maybe the transformer model kind of but ultimately LLMs are massive supervised learning neural nets trained on obscene amounts of data. And then other models use that pretrained "foundational model" to work and just tune their parameters. Which is why prompt engineer is becoming a thing.

Corpos are playing by the book here and trying to extinguish any competition before it begins by having people rely on their "foundation" models instead of innovating their own solutions

How many tutorials can you find for implementing LLM NLP tasks that dont include "import this model from X company" id wager its only maybe 33%

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Part of what makes localized model engines and custom ML chips interesting is precisely their ability to enable small custom local models. Right now LLMs require so much computational power and massive amounts of data to be trained and operate that even the most expensive options lose money with every prompt query.

So, the reason every tutorial starts with "download this model". Is because there's a good chance you don't have the hundreds of super computer cluster chips and the several hundreds of exabytes of scrapped and curated data needed to train a natural language processing model. There's a reason there are only big players in this game.

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure that crash is more the fault of the greedy shits who think it's normal for 4 folks to own 50% of the country while 50% owns 2% of the country. Don't need AI to tell you that system isn't sustainable.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good, let it all collapse. I want to see the 1% shit themselves before climate change kills them.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's not who suffers most in financial collapse.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Bingo. The super-rich love a financial collapse, it gives them a golden opportunity to turn disaster capitalist. All those foreclosed homes & businesses available at a knockdown price, nom nom nom.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I need to get off lemmy. Too many teenagers on here with their "burn it all down"s and "trust me, I have a super easy solution to a giant complex problem that has been plaguing humanity for generarions"s and "the bad guys are actually good guys, lol I'm so edgy"s

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

now now, no need to be dismissive of other age groups in this matter. I'm sure there's plenty of non-teenager people that think the same way too. on the internet, nobody knows you're a 74 yr old extremist

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is this suddenly a teenager platform whenever you want to infantilize the ones you disagree with?

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[–] Peddlephile@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So, how do we engineer a situation in which the richest suffer most? End of capitalism?

[–] dack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greatly increasing taxes for the super wealthy and closing tax loopholes would be a good start.

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

If they haven't done all this until now, what makes you think they'll do it then?

The rich will get off unscathed with a blank canvas to work on, and the poor will pay the price, just like with every other market crash.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AI is just a convenient excuse and you know that.

[–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao yeah. They need someone to blame for upcoming crash lol.

[–] Algaroth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

My thoughts exactly.

[–] Destraight@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The SEC means: Security, and Exchange Commission. In case anybody like myself hates abbreviations, and have to look it up on Google to see what it even means

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, a few communities I'm a part of have been warning about this since c. 2014, so I think he's actually correct in his prediction. I haven't read the article, but I don't think any solution he'd propose would be good regardless, so I think I'll just save my time. TLDR: failing a real leftist paradigm shift, we need global welfare like 5 to 10 years ago and UBI.

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[–] tiita@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

then maybe they should do something about it.... its not like they do not have time...

[–] TacoThrash3r@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Have you seen congress? We don't do that here....

[–] Naatan@lemdro.id 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Heavy doubt on this one.

There is still so much misunderstanding on the state of AI and its potential based on current technology (spoiler: reduce your expectations significantly). How can you expect anyone to make predictions with such misunderstanding.

That said it kinda seems like a financial crash is already happening, regardless of AI.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's tech illiterate people being amazed by chat gpt and shit, not realizing just how janky and limited it's actual "artificial intelligence"actually is.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Financial expert predicts that (what is already) the longest bull market in world history will end within the next 10 years? And the thing that the world's largest companies are investing the most in might play a roll in that?

Bold.

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