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This seems more like delaying the problem rather than a solution. What will you do in 1 year, 3 years, or 7 years when Microsoft stops offering extended security updates to businesses?
Windows is only going to get worse from here. Windows 10 forces software onto you without your permission. It forces updates and installs AI bullshit. The best time to switch to GNU/Linux is today.
Linux isn't a solution for everyone. Some people have software and hardware that absolutely will not run on Linux. I hope that in the next 1-3 years, either Microsoft wakes up and extends 10 service life, or they make 11 tolerable. The likelihood of the latter is virtually zero.
Some people have software and hardware that absolutely will not run on Linux
That is not the fault of GNU/Linux. That is the fault of the those software developers and Microsoft. Microsoft and developers of Windows software prevent their software from running on GNU/Linux, not the other way around.
By continuing to use software which blocks GNU/Linux usage, you are enabling them to manipulate you.
Windows is never going to get better. People who used XP said they were never going to use Windows 7, at the EOL of XP. People who used Windows 7 said they were never going to use Windows 10 at Windows 7 EOL. Now, people who use Windows 10 are saying they will never use Windows 11 at Windows 10 EOL.
Each Windows release was worse than the last. Each Windows release had more bloat and telemetry and other malicious features than the last.
Either you're going to stop using Windows or you will capitulate to the spyware of Windows 11.
Never said it was Linux fault for software and hardware not working.
Some of the friction is legacy systems that the developers no longer support for anyone, or can't support Linux. Audio equipment and cnc equipment are just 2 of the notoriously difficult categories of hardware to support on anything besides Windows (and mac but thats not the convo), especially if it's older.
Linux is great, but I'm so tired of hearing that the ONLY solution is to install it. It is not, and will not, be the solution for everyone.
Linux is great, but I'm so tired of hearing that the ONLY solution is to install it. It is not, and will not, be the solution for everyone.
The primary competitor to GNU/Linux is FreeBSD. So I will say that FreeBSD can be another solution. Besides that, every other freedom respecting OS is in beta.
The truth is that Microsoft Windows was NEVER a solution and will never be a solution. Microsoft was designed to not be a solution, ever since Bill Gates sold his first piece of software in 1976. Before 1976, software was not protected by copyright and written software was freely exchanged between computer users. After 1976, Microsoft and Apple invented the ways to restrict users from controlling their software. The software is intentionally designed to hurt you. Microsoft always intended to dominate the market, spy on their users, limit what their users can do, going back 50 years. The only difference then and now is that there is new technology that allows Microsoft to be even more exploitative.
GNU/Linux Distros are based around the GPL (GNU Public License), which is the complete opposite of Microsoft principles. The license says that software must allow the users to understand how the software works, run the software however they want, make changes to the software, and share changes to the software. On top of that, the GPL says that developers can't use GPL code to make software which is non-GPL. This promotes the creates of more freedom-respecting software.
Also, older systems tend to be better supported by Linux than Windows. Windows 10 is no longer officially supported. Windows 11 doesn't support computers made before 2015. New GNU/Linux works well on computers made before 2015 and even going back to the mid 2000s.
The closest OS to Windows that doesn't try to exploit the users would be ReactOS, but it is still considered to be in Beta after 27 years of development.
I hope that in the next 1-3 years, either Microsoft wakes up and extends 10 service life, or they make 11 tolerable. The likelihood of the latter is virtually zero.
They're not going to extend Windows 10's life indefinitely. They didn't do it with XP, so why would they do it with 10?
The only real options are:
Installing a different OS.
Running an unsupported OS.
Bending the knee and kissing the ring.
Running your debloating Powershell scripts and fiddling around with regedit was never a real solution because even during Windows 8, Microsoft would constantly readd shit back in or introduce more shit that the scrappy debloating Powershell script devs have to account for. Microsoft have been giving warnings about how tampering with the registry means security patches may not go through, which is just them putting their foot down on debloaters.
Different OS are, of course, MacOS, Linux, BSD, and ChromeOS (lol) among others. I also lump in people forsaking their desktops for smartphone/tablet OS like iOS, Android, GrapheneOS, and so on. For many reasons, people suggest Linux over other options, but it's not like Linux is the only option. I would also make a note that a lot of the arguments Windows users have over not adopting Linux completely fall apart when MacOS is considered. For one, the vast majority of enterprise software (Office, Photoshop, Acrobat) run perfectly fine on MacOS. There's also VMs that could be used if there's particular software that can only run on Windows. There's nothing wrong with running a Windows 7 VM while the actual host OS is Linux.
This has all the pitfalls of running unsupported software. Assuming there isn't some major malware people cooked up specifically to fuck over unsupported Windows 10 machines, there won't be a major degradation in user experience until web browsers and popularly used software like Steam drop support. And considering the proliferation of SaaS, I am extremely skeptical that you can get away with running an older version of that software that was still compatible with 10 and not have it automatically update to the current version that is only compatible with 11. At a certain point, the Windows 10 machine can't run anything modern and can't even use the Internet without being hit with malware.
Pretty self explanatory. They will piss and moan, but they will bend the knee. They will turn their perfectly fine machine into e-waste, spend more money to build a Windows 11-compatible machine, and install that AI-infested trash malware known as Windows 11. Most will not learn a single thing from this experience, and when Windows 12 gets released with bullshit that makes Windows 11 look like Windows 2000, most will piss and moan some more before bending the knee and kissing the ring once again.
They actually did extend XP service life BECAUSE everyone held on for so long. It was one of the only OS versions to go beyond initial EOL timelines. They have already made it pretty easy to extend a year of updates on 10.
Yeah, and people still had to dump XP in the end because no software vendor supports an old version of their software forever. Microsoft isn't going to have a change of heart and un-fuck up Windows 11.
I'm still mad XP died. It was the last good Windows there was.
it was quite the XPerience
Okay, that's a good dad joke.
https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol
Do that instead
there's a small type in your post, i fixed it: https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol
Lol
What was it?
The link leads to fedora workstation
lol
What's the difference? I did mine today by clicking some links under windows update.
Costs nothing, gives you the way to the 2032 cutoff, familiarizes you with mas scripts, which let you freely move between skus.
E: switching to iot ltsc 2021 also removes ads, xbox game bar etc. it really whips the llamas ass.
With massgrave you can get into the 3 years program for free
Oh shit really? Good to know then.
If you already use a Microsoft account and are fine with signing into that on your local computer then for this year it doesn't really matter I suppose but this way you can just take care of it and not think of it again in a year.
there should be a lottery where if you win you get to punch Bill Gates in the face as hard as you can
Not a big fan of lotteries at this scale. I propose an alternative, voucher-based system where everyone gets one voucher per year. One voucher = one punch.
do I really need this if all I do on windows 10 is just play one game and nothing else?
what game is it? there are games with exploits for people to gain access to your system but it's rare. it's also going to happen regardless of what OS someone is using since it's an exploit using the game's data rather than yours. lots of people still use windows 7 still who just go on youtube and shit. it's probably fine. i'm still on 10 myself and will probably still use it after next year when the extended support for my pc ends
team fortress 2. I guess the only thing I have to worry about is steam dropping support down the line?
you can just use linux if thats all you play if you’re not stuck on windows for some kinda school or work software
most valve games run natively on linux afaik
That's native on Linux as well. Give it a go?
Team Fortress 2 was literally the first Source Engine game Valve ported to Linux, back in 2012.
"There is life after Microsoft Windows. You have options."
I wish I could get the extended support MAS script and stuff to work. My PC won't update to this year's W10 24H2(?) update unless I do a full install, I think. Tried every other update method and I really don't want to have to bother with that.
The final version of Windows 10 is 22H2. There is no 24H2. That's a Windows 11 feature build. Windows 10 has been feature locked since late 2022 basically. It's just been security updates which now end without ESU. (Specifically with the final security update installed your version should read 10.0.19045.6456 though major version will still say 22H2)
That said if something is badly broken you should be able to do an in-place upgrade install of Windows 10 from the last released version iso which you can find linked on the mas site. You just make sure it is one of the home edition ISOs then run it from within Windows, should be an option for upgrade or repair or something and you do that rather than clean install (which would wipe your drive).
I have seen some cases where OEM's install broken versions of Windows 10 Home that need this kind of in-place upgrade install to use MAS.
Be careful and read what the prompts say during the process to avoid any mistakes. Your data should be safe as long as you do an upgrade or repair install.
I'll give it another try. Thanks.