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I mostly use apps installed from F-Droid, so I’m not sure how I’ll use the phone, except that it’s sometimes required as a contact method.

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[–] vas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

TL&DR; PinePhone. Longer explanation below

  1. I'll prepare for sacrifices. I should not blame the Open-Source alternatives that they're not on par with Android yet. It was Android's decision to become more closed, and I'll keep remembering it.

  2. I'll start using my PinePhone that I already own anyway. I've used it for a while, but there was less push for me to use back then. Without F-Droid, I'll press myself hard to adapt to PinePhone and will just stay there until it improves. I have 1-2 decades of experience of using non-mainstream software and see it improve with time. I'll learn. I'll adapt.

[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I guess just don't by one of these "certified Android devices". Might become a selling point. Other option would be to run SailfishOS (buy a Jolla phone) or install Ubuntu Touch / Mobian and use Anbox.

[–] 17lifers@sopuli.xyz 100 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (21 children)

install them with adb. its a crucial feature for developers, so they won't easiky get rid of it.

[–] berty@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do you get updates when installing via adb?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 59 points 6 days ago

Install them via adb, probably

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[–] rosco385@lemmy.wtf 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've been using GrapheneOS for a while, which should minimise disruptions, but I'm also hoping the Linux phone ecosystem improves before Google locks down Android completely.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've started donating to PostmarketOS this month, so hopefully I'll be able to buy a device with decent support once my current phone needs replacing.

I already run LineageOS on my phone with microG instead of Gapps, so not much is going to change for me. There'll also be an update to Android 16 for me soon, LineageOS just announced that last weekend.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I feel embarassed to say this as someone who is fairly techy, but I'm a little confused by the whole brouhaha.

Is Google making changes to Android, or to AOSP?

If Google is making changes to the Android fork they put on their own phones, then fuck 'em. Use Graphene. Use e/OS/, use Lineage...use something that forks their own branch of AOSP and Google can pound sand because those forks are in no way obligated to make the same changes as Google. AOSP is open source for that very reason.

If Google is making those changes to AOSP itself, which means that anyone who uses AOSP as a base have those changes by default, then isn't Google obligated to keep those changes as Open Source, in which case anyone else who uses AOSP can just remove them from their own fork?

Someone explain like I'm a particularly dim five-year-old, please.

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago

If you want to keep using google playstore and services, you no longer will be able to use f-droid, whether google or any aosp rom. grapheneOS claims it won't be affected given their sandboxed google play and services. Though I'm not sure if eventually google would come up with a counter measure or it won't ever care. They want to enforce that if anyone uses their proprietary stuff the apps interacting with it must be from register developers, which automatically exclude any libre/free app storage on which developers don't want to register to google. GrepheneOS being the exception.

If you use microG with any custom rom, I guess that might work through fake registrations, but can't be sure. But any custom rom without google play and services is supposed to be ok with f-droid. The thing is that google knows most if not all users need one app that depends on their stuff, perhaps bank apps, payment apps, and so on...

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

iirc they are enforcing this on the play services level, using the play protect system. so if you use a custom rom with google play, you are likely cooked too.

that is if the roms don't implement a system to circumvent it.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've also been confused about this, but this is my take on it.

You're correct that they are making these changes to Android and not AOSP. This means that an OS like Graphene or e/OS/ will still be able to use sideloaded apps and other appstores like F-Droid.

I think the reason everyone is freaking out about this, is that it hurts appstores like F-Droid. It has a chilling effect on apps that are released to alternative app stores and may cause those stores to fail over time, thus killing FOSS apps at the point of distribution.

That said, this is also over my head technically, so I would love if someone more knowledgable could weigh in.

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[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago

If it really interferes, same thing as when YouTube started enshittifying: use it less and likely be better off.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 35 points 6 days ago

I will switch to Android roms that don't have that defect, and continue to buy and tinker with Linux phones when I can afford it, until they become daily-drivable.

[–] deathrattledregs@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 days ago

Staying on Graphene for the time being. AFAIK should be able to still install apps whatever way I see fit.

Graphene's team has stated that they are looking into OEM's to potentially work out a solution to make a suitable device to run GOS, since Google is locking things down.

If it really comes to it, (long term), I'll make the jump to a Linux mobile device, whether that's a phone or a custom solution.

Just because corpo's are making things difficult, doesn't mean I'm going to cave. I started this privacy journey 6 years ago and I'm not about to undo it because of greed and inconvenience.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 38 points 6 days ago (6 children)
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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 week ago

I only use app from f-droid on lineage and I don't have a google account anymore, if that stops being an option I guess I'll use an old dumb phone and fuck all.

[–] Meowie_Gamer@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

I'll just keep using grapheneOS.

[–] wellyon@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope there will be a good Linux phone in a few years that I can switch to. Would be great with it was compatible with the latest Fairphone by then, for a true FOSS and ethical phone.

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[–] Lyubo@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

DeGoogled Custom ROMs

[–] Benchamoneh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 days ago

I moved to GrapheneOS about a month ago, not too long after the announcement. Bought a used Pixel and jumped. TBH moving to Graphene was something I'd considered for a while for privacy reasons but Google gave me that last push.

There are some different ways of doing things but I've really enjoyed the transition overall.

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Keep waiting for a Linux phone that actually works as a daily driver.

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[–] SuperDuperKitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm currently using GrapheneOS on my Pixel phone I brought secondhand so think I should (for now) be okay?

Otherwise, Linux phone looks interesting but it just relearning both another OS (like iPhone users trying to learn Android and vice versa) and also just I have low income so buying new tech is just expensive.

I don't want to throw myself a deepend to an OS that I not as familiar with beside on my desktop and Raspberry Pi. Personally, I prefer to know what's there before I just go blind so at least I can manage my expectation than expected it to do 1:1 stuff that I do on my phone right now.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'll root and/or use ADB to install APKs. Fuck Google.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago

Well, I did do app development for Android for a couple of years, so I'll be using ADB it install APKs in any device affected if needed.

I'll also never do development work for Android ever again, beyond making utilities for myself if need something like that.

Beyond that, I'll never buy an Android device that cannot be unlocked. Last one I got was a Xiaomi phone, which at the time could be unlocked (which I did and installed an alternative ROM on it before I started using it), but they stopped that so Xiaomi isn't going to be getting any more money from me.

Mid to long-term, I expect Linux devices are the solution. I'm especially interested in getting a Linux tablet (7" or 8") to replace the tablet I currently use mostly for book reading and internet browsing when I'm out and about (hence the size needs to be small enough to fit a back or jacket pocket).

When I started looking into it, my expectation was that Linux tablets would make even more sense as devices than phones since they're closer to notebooks in terms of how they're used, but I haven't really found all that many out there - there are more Linux phones than tablets - and all of them were 10" or more (so, too large for my use case).

(PS: suggestions welcome, even just stuff I can root and install something like Ubuntu Touch on it)

Am I so unusal in wanting an portable computing device with a big enough screen to read stuff, for the purpose of consuming media rather than working on (so no keyboard need), which is not so big that I need to haul it in a backpack, not a full-blown smartphone with all the bells as whistles (I already have a smarphone on my pocket with mobile data, camera and GPS, so why would I need that shit AGAIN on a tablet???) and not a locked-down system like iOS or Android?

[–] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 21 points 6 days ago

LineageOS user here, so nothing will change for me. Perhaps in the long-term Google might kill off AOSP for good, in which case I'll seriously consider a so-called real Linux device. Cautiously optimistic about the FSF's Librephone project, which right now is attempting to reverse engineer blobs in Android devices.

I already have a Pinephone sitting around so maybe I'll re-flash Mobian on it and play around with it. In the long term my ideal distro would be Guix or some Guix derivative.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago (8 children)
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[–] vortexal@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well, I know that I probably wont be buying anymore android devices and I know for sure that I'll never buy an iOS device. But outside of that I'm not sure, I'll have to wait and see how things play out. If possible, I'd like to be able to use Linux or at least custom versions of android but, as of now, most of my devices don't have custom roms available and the two that do haven't been supported in years. I have looked into Linux phones, tablets and other portable devices like the Steam deck and the Legion Go S but they are very expensive and there isn't even a way for me to purchase some them.

I am also aware of ADB commands but I've never used them before. If they are easy enough to use without potentially bricking my devices, I am not opposed to using them.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Continue using a custom ROM.

If more brands start locking down their devices I'll have a conundrum, and it'll start being about antique hunting. More apps requiring an "approved" OS would also do it, but geopolitics will stop that from going too far in the near future.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Build a time machine and go back in time to stop WebOS from being sold to HP.

[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 6 points 5 days ago

You mean convince more people to not buy android phones. Man we used to be able to run custom kernel code on the palm pre to try and get more performance out

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I don't have to do anything. I use GrapheneOS btw.

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[–] ominouslemon@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I'll happily continue using my GrapheneOS Pixel since nothing will change for 3d-party ROMs :)

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Until it does. Google is already closing development, so the GrapheneOS devs will have a more difficult time rebasing their changes to AOSP each snapshot.

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[–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

keep using graphene os

[–] rustyricotta@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Well because of this, I bought a new phone and am now using GrapheneOS. I'm hoping to last at least 5 years with this, and hopefully by the time I want a new phone, grapheneos will have made a deal to have more compatible phones.

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[–] Notamoosen@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I'm likely going to use ladb to sideload "directly" on the device. I'm really hoping there are some legal challenges and/or bad pr to make them back down. I'm also considering picking up a Fairphone 4 or 5 and running CalyxOS as a plan B.

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[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

Google can't control the device if you're not running Google. GrapheneOS will still work like before, allowing you to run the apps you want. But the jury is still out on how long... I hope we can have a long term GrapheneOS solution regarding hardware.

I don't know yet, I'm going to keep track of developments around this and see what the community comes up with. I refuse to be bent over by tech giants.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Be fucked? I don't know I already hate most phones on the market and I'm going to need to buy a new one at some point, not looking forward to it...

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