this post was submitted on 29 Sep 2025
852 points (99.5% liked)

Technology

75605 readers
2055 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] ezterry@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 hour ago

I am perfectly ok with android apps being required to be signed by not just a certificate (they always were just it could be self signed and just needed to match to upgrade without removing data) but a list of trusted entities.

As long as:

  • I can install my own key on my phone (I'd I am trusted)
  • major distributors like fdroid and have a key installed without friction (like web CAs)
  • Google let's me mark their key as untrusted (I probably won't but I should be able to refuse things they trust (at install time, not disabling preloaded apps like settings)

Without this it feels too much extending the monopoly despite being forced to allow 3rd party stores.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 80 points 6 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 17 points 3 hours ago

~~Don't be evil~~

Be evil when it makes money.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Don't be something or other, hey check out this week's doodle!

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

aged like a corpse in a bathtub more like it.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Mmmm head cheese

[–] leastaction@lemmy.ca 32 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

It seems to me that part of the problem is overreliance on phones as computing devices. A lot of things, like banking, are best done on an actual computer. We have become too dependent on phones.

[–] aliser@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago

no it's not. takes me 2 seconds to log in into my banking up in my phone. anything basic will take a few taps to do (eg transfer money).

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 17 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Your phone has likely much better security for your banking apps than your computer, unless you run really niche setup like QubesOS.

[–] traceur402@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 hours ago

We as a society should be rethinking the term "security", if it's come to mean submitting to being jerked around however best suits some private company's interests instead of our own. If there's a central platform for its security benefit it should be democratically controlled instead of controlled by what are effectively feudal lords, or perhaps even an occupying force

[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure how it works the way where you live but where I live, the way the banking apps are implemented completely violate MFA. They rely on SMS verification which is absurd since if you're phone is already compromised, no doubt your SMSes are too. There's no true multi-device authentication in place and this has led to a huge number of victims being scammed after their devices get compromised by a phishing attack.

The desktop and phone are both insecure, proper security should not have all your eggs in one basket.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

The phone is not insecure because of all eggs on basket.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Which is the point. Why do we need this security when the most virus riden PC can access my banking website.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 10 points 6 hours ago

Yeah but it's "we" as in everyone not "we" as in "Lemmy commenters".

So the network effect will keep the average person on a locked-down phone that can't run anything anti-regime

[–] hkspowers@lemmy.today 5 points 6 hours ago

Yep I absolutely refuse to put any banking apps on my phone. The only thing that has access to my bank is me physically going there or logging into their website via my own computer. Fuck any app that asks for access to my bank account including autopay services thorugh third parties.

The only third party serive I use for payments is paypal and that only goes to my credit card.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Right now the only decently speced phone with mainline Linux support is the Oneplus 6, and the only one I can find is being sold for $2000

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Can't you install graphene on Pixel 6 and later?

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

There's the FairPhone 6, running e/OS, Which is a deGoogled port of android, running microG

https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-6/

[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If f-droid doesn't expect to survive I think the whole stack /e/OS relies on might eventually collapse (microg, lineage, ...).

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 1 points 6 minutes ago

I dunno how viable it is, but linux phones with waydroid is a thing

Also, I'd imagine that a small pocket of custom ROM amd root folks will still exist

Come hell or high water, i will retain control of my phone

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, I was hoping my Oneplus 6T was worth a couple grand. Nope. Someone has one on Swappa unlocked and in mint condition for $180. A Oneplus 6 is listed on Ebay for $130.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It is, but why does that matter?

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think that's the one I have, but please explain what mainline Linux kernel means? Would it be about installing bare Linux instead of Android?

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It means you can use the regular Linux kernel instead of fucking around with a custom kernel (like Asahi) or with some sort of Android layer (like Halium). So running whatever distro you want shouldn't be too difficult.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 40 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"Year of the Linux Phone" has a nice ring to it.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not for me, no. I love the sandboxing and permissions of android (GrapheneOS). Honestly, desktop OSs should learn from it. Also, android is a lot easier to use, especially on small form factor devices.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 hours ago

Idk about GrapheneOS in particular but I find the sandboxing solutions for GNU/Linux like bubblewrap to be much more granular than standard Android.

"give us access to manage phone calls or we won't you me answer internet calls (which have nothing to do with actual SIM calls)", "give us access to all your files or we wont let you share that file via the share function (which doesn't need fs access to work)".

On GNU/Linux I can only give a program exactly the resources it needs, I can disallow dbus, I can block it from accessing potentially troublesome things like /dev/dri, can overlay filesystems and pretend that's my real home dir. Or can just mount the whole / to some other system.

[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 51 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Open source community keeps trusting Google and they keep using the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What should anyone have done different? Not built for one of the largest platforms with the most users?

[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Android is so big because the community let them embrace it. Since the beginning the community should have worked in a true open solution. Now it’s really late to try to make a Linux phone

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

Luddite. I've let AI manage my finances and mortgage for about a month now. Hold on, there's a knock at the door, some dudes with a big van or something

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago

Linux would suck on a phone. Sorry it is barely usable on a laptop. We get worse battery life hardware less supported. Sure we put up with it but most people just want stuff to work.

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 54 points 12 hours ago (4 children)
load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›