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Seems reductive.

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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 hours ago

They don't. They play the victim a lot more ways than that.

For example: you don't go to church. They think "Christian values are under attack." You argue for civil rights. "The right of the White Man is under attack." Shit like that. And they will call you a fascist, a socialist, a communist, everything but what you are, which is a nonconformist, for not doing exactly what they want you to do.

A conservative, by the simplest definition, is one who opposes change for the sake of change. The ideal of "if it's not broke, don't fix it." The problem is, while the system may not be broken for them (WASP), it needs work for people of colour, the LGBTQ+, Palestinians, and more. But they don't want a world that works for the rest of us. They just want to maintain the status quo. A lot of them have much more complicated feelings and opinions than that, but that's basically conservatism in a nutshell. Not extreme. Unfortunately very few conservatives are basic conservatives anymore.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

False question fallacy.

Conservatives don't solely define fascists as "being violent", at least in my country.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I see it all the time. "A leftist was violent? See I told you they were fascist."

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Got any examples? Never seen any conservatives say that.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Im going to DM you because this is embarrassing for you.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I assume you think you’re talking to someone else right now……?

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago

Nah the goalposts move whenever proof is received

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 10 points 13 hours ago

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 40 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Because they genuinely don't know what the definition of fascism is

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 11 points 16 hours ago

Or they do, but need to change it because it fits a little too well.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 51 points 20 hours ago

It's a convenient place to rest the goalposts until they have to snatch them up and run away again.

[–] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Instead of demonizing a class of person, perhaps you should select someone's writing or speech and then make an argument about something someone actually said. Even better if you turn it into a conversation with two way discourse. Your question just alienates others.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You really dont have a problem with me honestly. You have a problem with the site format and moderation choices.

I would all day, but no community is set to do that and no one will engage.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

They define every single thing as what they need it to mean that day. or hour. or minute. Religions vary wildly from the same religious texts.

There's no overall logic. Just lie as they go along, and see what catches. It's exactly how con-men work.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

A core tenant of conservatism is extreme lack of education so....

[–] sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

so this is actually really interesting to me. it's a willful ignorance that's produced by their lifestyle but also their religion. killing people through legislation, depriving food/medicine, or with epidemics is a loophole that to them meets the requirements of "not physically attacking" someone.

so they actively choose not to believe any education they are given about how violence was done in the past or how it transcends physical accost. also when faced with undeniable violence, they can project the supernatural onto it and distance themselves from any sort of introspection.

just as a thought experiment, empty yourself of any preconceptions and simply observe what they do with this young Utah man. there's a routine that everyone needs to observe them doing if you're not caught up to speed on how they work.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 21 points 19 hours ago

Bad faith, nothing they say can be believed at face value, despite that being exactly what mass media trains people to do.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 31 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

They are by far the least emotionally accessible portion of the US populace. They are also very deliberately ignorant. They really don't know what some of the words represent in full. They are put simply, stupid.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 30 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West.

You know, morons.

[–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago

Gabby Johnson is right!

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 17 hours ago

Damn, you really are the waco kid

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

They are genuinely bad with anologies and empathy. That's how they got to be conservative. Everything taken at face value, nothing they haven't experienced is real. Fascists are people named Mussolini. See? This isn't 1930s Italy, so this isn't fascism

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago

Because the dishonest fucks only engage in bad faith arguments.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Because otherwise they'd really have to struggle with some highly uncomfortable and inconvenient realizations.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's a kind way of saying some of them would have an aneurism thinking too hard. /s

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 8 points 19 hours ago

They certainly do not strike me as people overburdened by introspection. Or ethics, decency, conscience and compassion for that matter.

Regrettably, they're just smart enough to have stumbled upon the secret known to all psychopaths and sociopaths: That being an unmitigated asshole can be both liberating and profitable, so long as one can manage to dodge the consequences. It helps if other people - usually referred to as 'victims' - are too civil to apply the FAFO principle.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 13 points 19 hours ago

Because they don't want to admit that they're fascists, so they leave out all the characteristics that would confirm that they are.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

They didn't become conservatives to understand things...

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Because conservatives are stupid

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 5 points 18 hours ago

When one party is openly advocating for civil war, and killing their opposition, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE DEALT VIOLENCE

[–] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Some of them do it because they dont want to admit to being fascists themselves...for now. Others genuinely do not care what the true meaning of the word is, and of them, many actively choose to refuse to learn. And some others still are just saying what the talking heads they trust tell them to say, regardless of what they know or knew before.

Regardless of where they fall on this spectrum, reduction is a big part of the message, one way or another. Restricting how people understand this concept makes it easier to actualize it because vast swaths of these fools will be unable to recognize it for what it is until they find themselves in its very maw.

Are we all doomed? Cause it's feeling more and more like we might all be doomed before long ngl

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Sorry bro, we were doomed the second 2024 results came in. Would love to be proven wrong.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 2 points 16 hours ago

Conservatives love violence and guns.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Why do you accept it at face value when fascists try to call themselves "conservative" instead, when they're anything but?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Because they control the conservative party and conserative spaces. They are still slightly against being called fascist.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There hasn't been a conservative party in this millennium. Twenty years ago there were some conservatives in the right-wing party, today they've been purged.

IDK what you mean by "conservative spaces".

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago

Spaces labeled "conservative."

Bitch, conservatives do not get let off the hook because they cant defend their ideology from malignant forces.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

They are stupid.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 13 hours ago

I find it funny how this question is being asked on Lemmy of all places, where the definition of fascism has been completely lost (essentially now being some vague notion of right-wing evil)

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 0 points 16 hours ago

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