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It's good entertainment.
As usual, morons on both sides of the fence miss the forest for the trees.
Charlie was a mouthpiece of the ruling class. His whole purpose was to sow division to distract the working class from how it's being exploited by their rulers.
It's good that he's gone, because that's one fewer distraction. It's bad that people, on both sides, still don't realize why it's necessary for people like him to be gone.
We should also be aiming higher. The richer, the better.
I do think the very fact that he wasn't so high up is probably a big contributor as to why people are so divided. I remember the sympathy for the United CEO being pretty much limited to talking heads and the other Billionaires.
We're seeing much more vehement discussion on this one
I'm not divided. This is a republican on Republican crime. Fuck them, let them eat themselves for all I care.
You're saying you have no one close to you who disagrees with you? Possibly someone who you were surprised to learn that about? I certainly see many people in a slightly different light now, I probably won't stop being friends with them but it's odd seeing them react a certain way
I've completely cut out any family that supports the Trump administration, personally. Fuck em. There's no space in my life for bigots.
No I do not since my family is actually compassionate and care about people even if they are not from their group. You know empathy.
This is extremist eating extremist. Let them eat each other.
No one should feel bad or scared for the stupidity of the few, but yet people want us to show compassion to the folks that call people names and cry when the same gets thrown back.
The only people you hear calling for civil war and for destruction is the same people that are killing themselves.
Fuck them.
I suppose I can see that, though I would not say my friends from long ago are "extremists". I would say rather that they are very obviously frustrated with life and the country in general. I can't see any of them picking up a gun and going to war.
Its fortunate that your loved ones are all still getting along over this though, you should cherish that, as there's many who are having to choose between sticking to their beliefs or people they know, their neighbors, people they've loved.
Which I unfortunately think is unnecessary, but who am I to dictate how people should react in this situation
Im glad theres one less of them. Those who believe peaceful protesting works will disagree.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
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A self-elected mouthpiece that thrives on spreading hatred that has cause immerse damage and suffering for innocent people is shot by one of his own people. He died by consequence of the violence he was promoting against others.
The only ones I sympathise with are his children because they didn't choose their parents and they will have his legacy on their shoulders. His wife and his friends and colleagues and his followers can go fuck themselves ass to eye with a spork.
shot by one of his own people
Charlie Kirk was a radical far left supporter of “antifa”?
Here's a timeline to consider
Trump dined with Fuentes - the groyper king. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825
Kirk urged trump to release the files and everything https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999
loomer (a groyper) says kirk is unloyal https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-laura-loomer/
Political violence is terrible. Kirk was a piece of shit who helped make political violence inevitable. He got what he deserved, and I'm jubilant at his death, even as I'm devastated at what our country has become.
think this pretty much sums it up. i'd prefer if american politics weren't underscored by violence but when our most popular public figures include literal school shooting advocates, peace was never an option.
go figure that when gun violence is involved that it's the right eating the right.
I don't personally feel bad that he is dead. The world is probably a better place without him in it. However, I'm disturbed by how gleeful some people are about his death. It shows how callous and radicalized people have become. I know a lot of people will jump in and say it's rhe right's fault things have gotten so radicalized, but that's missing the point. Taking a life should never be easy.
I mean, sure, it's mostly edgy people talking tough online. Give them Charlie Kirk in a dark alleyway and hand them a gun and 99% of them wouldn't pull the trigger. But that social media environment does produce killers, and the kind of people it pushes over the edge tend to not be very stable and their actions tend to be pretty horrific. Probably the most famous Lemmy user to date is the man who bombed the fertility clinic. Let's hope it stays that way.
Change it to the middle of a forest with no one around for kilometers and that 1% might go a lot higher tho
I really could care less either way.
My pet peeve is people who say this expression wrong, because it's not only slightly mispronounced, but entirely turned on it's head to mean the exact opposite of its intention. This reversal of meaning seems clear, so I'm not sure why the error is so prolific, though it does seem more of a thing in other countries like the USA, not so much here.
It's "couldn't care less", not "could care less". You're trying to say "I care so little that it is not possible for me to care any less than I do already".
Instead, by saying you "could care less", you are being ambiguous about how much you care, but confirming that you care at least a little bit (or possibly due to the ambiguity it's the most important thing in your life and you care so, so much).
Sorry if I sound grouchy, it's just something that's bugged me for a long time and here at 5am is when I decided to finally say something about it, haha. No shade on you personally though, as the hip youths would say! :-D
People get killed all the time, he isn't special and you would be too emotionally drained if you got upset over every death that ever happened.
I actually don't care about Kirk, or any murdered politician for that matter. I'll laugh at the memes because comedy is pretty much all we have left to cope with the shit state of many things.
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Yes, my thoughts exactly too as a Canadian looking in from the outside. The one thing that is bothering me most of all is how much of a martyr the assassination is making out of him
We need a national online forum. That's my takeaway.
What do you think that would look like I wonder? I'm also trying to wrap my head around the logistics of it, it would need to be taxpayer funded because the very SECOND any sort of ad infrastructure gets implemented the whole system is fucked
I am absolutely done giving grace to these vermin. My energy is not limitless, and I’m saving it for people that matter.
I do not support political violence, be that direct or systemic.
He did.
I agree.
The reality is that he said intentionally provocative things as his means of making money. He said them to people who are known to be extremists. He encouraged a lot of bad behavior, he shunned kindness and embraced anger. He fanned the flame of extremism and he courted danger in the process.
That he was murdered by someone who disagreed with him cannot come as a surprise. Did he really think that you can play with fire and not get burned?
I don't agreed with murdering anyone, and I firmly believe in free speech. However, he played a dangerous game and it was his undoing.
There is a limit to how far you can push extreme ideas before bad things happen.
It's mathematics.
If you are responsible for more bad than good in the world, it's not sad when you die.
I went to a bar to have a drink when it happened. I will always drink to dead Nazis
The main thing I take away from this is how soft people have become since the corporate sanitization of the web. That video was tame compared to stuff that regularly made the rounds even ten years ago. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was a drug cartel video.
Someone spending most of their life trying to get people together and preaching love, tolerance and empathy getting assassinated, such as MLK, is a tragedy.
Someone spending most of their life doing the exact opposite of that getting assassinated, such as with Kirk, is not a tragedy.
I'm happy he's not spewing hate anymore. However, I abhor (and denounce) how that came to pass and remain genuinely disgusted at the sick, bloodthirsty mob social media turns into when shit like this happens (or attempted happens).
I am very much not an "ends justify the means" kind of person and firmly believe that kind of logic is extremely dangerous.
How does this make me feel? Well, disgusted. Disgusted that there's more gun violence in the world, disgusted that people are cheering it on, and disgusted with pretty much everyone's knee-jerk takes on the matter. I can forgive celebrating his passing as dark humor / gallows humor. I can even understand laughing at the schadenfreude due to the guy's stance on exactly this kind of thing. But for people to be praising the suspect or calling for more is firmly crossing the line into psychopath territory.
Again, the ends do not justify the means.
I can feel in my bones that the other shoe is about to drop, and all these people salivating over the bloodshed are not going to be happy when it does. Violence only begets more violence, and people need to understand that and not be cheering it on.
Thank you for your empathetic reply. You pretty much wrote out what i was thinking. We don't need more violence, we need change not bloodshed. We need people that will safeguard certain lines that may not be crossed.
We need people that will safeguard certain lines that may not be crossed.
Exactly.
"We finally won."
What did it cost?
"Our humanity"
If people are so willing to cross those lines, what are we even doing or trying to uphold?
This exactly.
I'm not sad about his death because he was an objectively harmful person, but I do feel pretty bad that this is how it happened.
A civil war is only going to hurt the US more, but it sure looks like they're headed that way based on the online reactions I've been seeing over the past few years.
I didn't really know anything about him until after I heard he died. And shortly after that, I heard that three kids died in another school shooting.
I don't give a fuck about Charlie. I'm pissed that he's getting a flag at half mast and those three children and all the children that came before only get thoughts and prayers.
I treat charlie by his own views. Empathy is bad. A few deaths are just the price of having the second amendment. Families should bring their kids to witness public executions. Im sure I will find out more of his views but I definitely plan to judge him by his own yardstick.
