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‘There is no Quebec nation’: Grand Chief delivers stern message to Quebec’s Justice Minister (www.aptnnews.ca)

submitted 1 week ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 3 points 5 days ago

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon is crying in a dark corner over this one

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, Quebec has no idea what he's talking about, in his strange foreign language.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I for one appreciate your satire of Quebecois' xenophobia, but I think it went over the heads of many.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 days ago

Many meaning OP specifically.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Indigenous people were around for thousands of years before the French settled the area. We’re the foreigners not him.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So what they say about quebec and irony is true? I thought it was but it's nice to see confirmation.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Indigenous people were forced to speak European languages by acts of violence in residential schools. Their native languages were being erased.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Amazing. (Takes notes)

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Responding with sarcasm towards atrocities towards children. This is a poor showing of character.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I'm amazed you're able to misread a couple lines so thoroughly. It makes me wonder how you navigate through the rest of the written world. Your life must be a succession of dramas.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

You either have a bad opinion or aren’t articulate enough to get your point across and your crappy attitude isn’t helping anything.

You’re a weird person. It’s interesting you go after someone for being “dramatic” but seem to be a sort of poison all on your own.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Disengage.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago

Ah well ok, I admit it's not nice to tease teenagers.

[+] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I fully support indigenous sovereignty, respect for treaties, land back, and decolonization but sorry Grand Chief, it's not on you to decide if Quebec is a nation or not. That's for the Quebecois to decide.

[–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The main problem here is that western society links a nation (the people) with the land these people currently occupy...

The Quebec people sure are a nation if they want to, but it doesn't mean they can do whatever they please with the land they are currently living on.

This land is shared with other nations (ex: the first nations), and usage must be negotiated with them.

The government of Quebec (and other provinces as well) have always ignored the first nations, in big part because they usually refused to take part of provincial elections. In fact, it is forbidden to publicly campaign in reservations, got that from the father of a friend who was an Innu lawyer.

They typically try to stay out of provincial politics because first nations laws are a federal level responsibility.

In short, this whole thing is a shitshow, first nations should understand that Quebec people have their needs and history, but Quebec people cannot assume they can ignore first nations with whom they live... Respecting each other and working together should result in a better, less corrupt, country for everyone!

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Agreed 100%.

Generally, I see the debate and the tension itself as one of the best things about Canada and Quebec as a perpetual thorn on the side that doesn't allow either to become complacent and pushes both to be better. Without this fundamental tension both degenerate in the rotten "at least we're not as bad as the US/RoC" mode.

So, in that spirit, I think that a Quebec Independence project should be a step towards full decolonization and reconciliation, not away from it. And in the flip side, if the Quebec independence question flares up again, arguments for keeping Canada together and promises for a more perfect federation should also be in that direction.

The Ecuadorian plurinational model probably has a lot to teach both sovereignists and federalists.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago

Nope.

[–] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

“There is no Quebec nation,” Diabo told APTN News. “[Jolin-Barrette is] a Canadian at the end of the day. They’re not separate from Canada. This whole push to want to try to separate, if that’s what they want to try to do, by all means, but you’re not leaving with Mohawk land. You don’t have jurisdiction over us.”

I'd say he disagrees.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Actually he doesn't. He says "if that's what they want to do, by all means", i.e., he specifically says the Quebecois can go off and do their own thing. He just doesn't feel like the Mohawks owe any allegiance to the Quebecois nation, which I mean, yea, that's 100% true.

He's saying multiple things all at once and contradicting himself.

The way I see it, it's on Quebec sovereignists to make a convincing case to indigenous people and to respect whatever the indigenous people decide to do. That's the whole point of nation-to-nation dialogue. I also happen to think that it is possible for a liberatory post-colonial Quebec sovereignism to exist, but the PQ isn't it.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Those are two seperate things.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You don't get to just decide you're a nation, that's not how being a nation works.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination are you high? This is the text book definition of nation building.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

I'm from the Balkans. Trust me that's exactly how it works.

[–] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Even on the consultation end, that’s defined by Canadian law, which they have to follow,” Diabo argued. “There’s processes in place for duties to consult, which they’re still not upholding either.”

Sounds like Quebec is not following the rules.

[–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's ok, they didn't sign/agree to these rules anyway.

[–] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 6 days ago

Actually, Quebec did.

[–] Upperhand@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_nation_motion#%3A%7E%3Atext=On+November+22%2C+2006%2C+the%2Cend+of+the+Bloc+motion.