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So for context, I went to first grade in mainland China before immigrating to the United States, in China, they teach kids this weird trick that's basically like reciting a "poem" thing, which I didn't remember what it was called until I recently googled it. Its apparantly called the "九九乘法口诀表" or 9x9 Song / "The Nine-nine song" (Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_multiplication_table#The_Nine-nine_song_text_in_Chinese).

So like... in 2nd grade, for which I was in the US, multiplication was very easy for me, well... at least up to 10x10. Like idk how to explain it to someone who's doesn't speak a variant of Chinese, and even the rhythm only works for me in Mandarin somehow, when I try to use Cantonese, which is the language I speak at home in the US, I cannot replicate the rhythm to make thay thing work, this "Poem"/"Song" is only available to me in Mandarin, like when I think about multiplying together any 2 single digit number, I instictively use the "九九乘法口诀表".

Like its goes from 1x1 then next lines are 1x2, 2x2, then next are 1x3, 2x3, 3x3, then its 1x4, 2x4, 3x4, 4x4, etc... you get the idea, mutiples of 1, then 2, then 3. So if I need to multiply something by 7, I can start from the line where multiples of 7 are. Sometimes I can remember the exact phrase of it like for example 3x7, without starting from 1x7, then 2x7, then 3x7.

Like I never thought too hard about it, it kinda just became the "normal" way I do multiplication. But someone asked a question on Lemmy about reading analog clocks and I probably didn't answer their question correctly but that was when I kinda was like: oh wow I forgot that my way of multiplication is probably different from everyone else in the west.

Like if you told me to teach a English-Only speaker on how to do multiplication tables, I... um... I don't know how I would teach that, the "九九乘法口诀表" doesn't have the rhythm in English so I doubt converting the it to English would work.

Like even though I speak English as my primary language now, and I barely have any fluency in Mandarin or even Cantonese which I speak at home (and never learned any vocabulary beyond the basics), the "九九乘法口诀表" multiplication thing is always done in mandarin somehow, like its always been stuck in my brain even after all these years in the US.

TLDR answer to my own question. I do it using "九九乘法口诀表" which takes me 1-2 seconds to recall a specific line, so basically, anything up to 10x10 takes about 2 seconds for my brsin to process, 11x11x to 12x12 takes about 5-10 seconds, anything bigger and I just giveup using my brain and pull out a calculator. I memorized 10x10 since first grade, then 12x12 probably by like 2nd grade or maybe first half of 3rd grade.

How do y'all do it, is it easy or hard?

Edit: Okay so the best way for me to explain "九九乘法口诀表" is that: Think of PEMDAS (order of operations), but its for the entire multiplication up to 9x9.

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I think we had up to do up to 12 times tables by 3rd or 4th grade. I remember starting in 1st at school but really I learned them from Schoolhouse Rock. In the states Schoolhouse Rock was on Saturday Mornings between regular cartoons and they had such great songs.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC1yty6F-2neYfwE8xc1A72Q

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago

3rd grade, it was easier to do algebra because of it, then do arithmetic.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I think they start doing it in second grade but I'm not positive on that.

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 5 points 4 days ago

Only did it to 10x10 in my country :3

It was like.. 2nd or 3rd grade? Anyhow, Im still bad at them, but that's cause my brain does numbers weird lol

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 4 points 4 days ago

I grew up in Quebec until I was 7, and then moved to Ontario half way through the school year for Grade 2.

In Wakefield we were just starting to learn the times tables. In Ottawa, they were finished with them and were just about done division. I never really got to learn either before learning fractions.

As a result, while i can do quadratic equations and fractions in my head, I often struggle to reason out multiplication or division.

[–] Netux@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Still not memorized. 7,8,9 still involve doing some quick count by number to get the answer (or using the finger trick for 9)

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

3rd grade. Was pretty easy. Also helped I had nearly a mile walk to school (and back) with no distractions (didn't think I had even a Walkman yet) so I was able to practice whatever. Math was easiest because it was right or wrong and it was easy to pick 2 random numbers.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

Grew up in BC, Canada. We were memorizing the table all the way up to 12x12 by grade three. I don't remember there being a specific limit taught before that...only that we got introduced to multiplication in grade 1, and did more in grade 2. But, grade 3 was when we needed to know the whole thing.

[–] habitualTartare@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Just a lot of writing them down and memorizing them from 1st to 3rd grade ish.

There is a few tricks like using your fingers for the 9s https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Your-Fingers-to-Do-the-9s-Times-Tables

But other than that, it was basically brute forced lol.

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Mid 5th grade for up to 10. I was slow at it because I did not like the rote learning.

Then a few years later I memorized some 50 digits of pi because why not. I don't know why I found that amusing.

[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

In US, in 1st/2nd we did phonetic learning of the times tables 12x12 as well as the states in alphabetical order and the president's in order of inauguration.

still easy to recite today.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

the states in alphabetical order and the president’s in order of inauguration.

Lol I only know like 10 president's name before it was too much depressing history for me. They never tested us on it. They made us fill in state names with a blank US map and the capital of each, I think I got like a 70/100 on the test, didn't like it. Idk why learning 50 US states is gonna help me since I'm not going to like half of them cuz um... ahem politics 👀

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

I was in grade four so about 10 years old. It was just up to the nines and it was pure memorization. Still remember them today, 50 years later.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Most I just know instantly since I need them for work from time to time and just memorising them is quicker than a calculator.

[–] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I don't remember if it was 2nd or 3rd grade, but I just memorized them. My grandmother bought flash cards and drilled them with me every day until I had memorized them all.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I never learned it. We had specific tests just for them i 3rd grade and I just could never be bothered to actually learn them. I just did the calculations every time and even with the really short time limit I could get over 90% right. So I thought why bother.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

Memorized in 6th grade. An optional goal in class to complete the “60 second sweep”. It only went up to 9, but we had to get in front of the class and do them all in 60 seconds.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I learned up through 12 x 12 in 2nd grade. Some of them were easier than others. I remember drilling with my grandfather for hours to memorize the ones I was having trouble with. The incentive was that if I learned them, he'd buy me a GameBoy game I wanted. I did in fact get the game when I managed to master multiplication—it was Mole Mania, a sokoban-style puzzle game with the gimmick that there is an underground layer you can move through that also has its own obstacles.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 days ago

I memorized the easy stuff and would just add or subtract to get to the right answer (because multiplication is just repeated addition). So 6*7 is just 6*6+6=36+6=42. It was pretty easy for me because the multiplication table is choke-full of patterns like multiples of 2, 5, 9 and 10.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 2 points 4 days ago

We stopped at ten and I've never learned them due to it being, in my opinion at the time, waste of time as you can always just count. They are pretty useful actually. 😅

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I learned multiplication by flash cards in kindergarten and first grade, but I think they generally teach multiplication tables in third grade. I never really learned them because am very bad at memorizing. I just faked it since I could calculate it in my head fast enough (although I was always much slower than my classmates).

Gifted education is a scam.

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I struggled learning them but that was in part due to me not wanting to learn them. I got by, barely. Currently, I'm pretty good with some of them but no expert.

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I grew up watching Square One TV as a kid so it was drilled into me before I hit second grade.

Square One TV: Season One

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We converted everything to and from base 60 (sexigesimal)

[–] memfree@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago

We didn't learn bases until 4th or 5th grade, and then we did all kinds of calculations with them until we moved on to the next topic. Base 2 took too long. Base 8 reminded me of Tom Leher. Base 16 was cool cuz: computers! We didn't have enough symbols for base 60, but I think we played with a few base 20+.

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