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Image is of a large protest in the Ivory Coast, sourced from this article in People's Dispatch.


This week's megathread is based largely on a detailed article from People's Dispatch, featuring statements and analysis from Achy Ekessi, the General Secretary of the Revolutionary Communist Party of Ivory Coast (PCRCI), brought to my attention by @jack@hexbear.net's comment in the last megathread.

The president of Ivory Coast, the 83 year old Alassane Ouattara, is aiming for a fourth term in power while barring out much of the opposition. I can't really do the all the history of how the situation wound up this way justice in a preamble as it's fairly complicated (read the article if you are interested), but to summarize, Ouattara is currently the only coherent candidate for the French to support. Back in 2011, the French helped Ouattara overthrow the previous (pan-Africanist) president, Laurent Gbagbo, and then arrested him and sent him to the ICC, and he was then acquitted and released in 2021.

Gbagbo is now running against Ouattara, but his base, the working class, has large swathes that are not present on the voting rolls and so it would be unlikely for him to win. On the opposite side of the spectrum is Tidjane Thiam, a former CEO of the Swiss Bank Credit Suisse, whose base is in the richer strata of the Ivory Coast, which overlaps with Ouattara's base. He would be more likely to win, but would certainly maintain many Western imperialist relationships. Ouattara, however, has simplified the electoral situation by simply barring both of them from running in the election at all.

Ouattara has, on paper, delivered some amount of economic development to the Ivory Coast. But as expected, most of it is funnelled to the bourgeois, as well as to foreign corporations and governments, while the working class are swallowed by the cost of living crisis. There has been significant infrastructure projects, but these have not only generated massive debt, they also have only really addressed the damage caused by the 2011 civil war and intervention by the French.

The rest of Western Africa has either entirely exited the orbit of France (Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso), are wavering/unstable (Senegal, Benin, Guinea), are beginning to show doubts (Nigeria, Ghana), or are economically weak enough to not be a major blow for the French to lose (Togo, Guinea-Bissau). The loss of the Ivory Coast would be a major setback for French neocolonialism, and be a potent example to nearby countries.


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Israel's Genocide of Palestine

If you have evidence of Zionist crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against the temporary Zionist entity. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dr Marwa Osman writes:

Zionist Israel is pushing to include the following clauses in its future security agreement with the Julani terrorist regime:

▫️Guaranteeing Israel full freedom of movement in Syrian airspace.

▫️Granting Israel the right to penetrate Syrian territory whenever it claims “security necessities.”

▫️Declaring southern Syria a demilitarized zone, with police forces only.

▫️Keeping all territories occupied by Israel under its permanent control.

Welcome to Julani's Syria.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago

That's just an Israeli occupation agreement.

[–] HoiPolloi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

Supremely cucked.

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

Oh boy am I gonna wake up to tel Aviv getting glassed

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Institutional Revolutionary Party (Spanish: Partido Revolucionario Instituciona, PRI) is a political party in Mexico. The party held uninterrupted power in the country and controlled the presidency twice: the first one was for 71 years, from 1929 to 2000, the second was for six years, from 2012 to 2018.

The PRI governed Mexico as a de-facto one-party state for the majority of the twentieth century; besides holding the Presidency of the Republic, all members of the Senate belonged to the PRI until 1976, and all state governors were also from the PRI until 1989.

Throughout its nine-decade existence, the party has represented a very wide array of ideologies, typically following from the policies of the President of the Republic. Starting as a center-left party during the Maximato, it moved leftward in the 1930s during the presidency of Lázaro Cárdenas, and gradually shifted to the right starting from 1940 after Cárdenas left office and Manuel Ávila Camacho became president. PRI administrations controversially adopted neoliberal economic policies during the 1980s and 90s, as well as during Enrique Peña Nieto's presidency (2012–2018). In 2024, the party formally renounced neoliberalism and rebranded itself as a "center-left" party.

In the 2018 general election, as part of the Todos por México coalition, the PRI suffered a monumental legislative defeat, scoring the lowest number of seats in the party's history. Presidential candidate José Antonio Meade also only scored 16.4% of the votes, finishing in third place, while the party only managed to elect 42 deputies (down from 203 of 2015) and 14 senators (down from 61 in 2012). The PRI was also defeated in each of the nine elections for state governor; the National Regeneration Movement (MORENA) won four, PAN three, and the Social Encounter Party and Citizens' Movement each with one.

In the 2024 general election, as part of the Fuerza y Corazón por México coalition, the party supported independent candidate Xóchitl Gálvez (considered close to the National Action Party) for President, who finished in second place. The party recorded its worst result by vote share in its history, although narrowly managed to avoid its worst seat results thanks to a slight gain made in the Senate. It was also the first time in its history that the party failed to win at least 10 constituency seats in the Chamber of Deputies.

Amid the party's worsening electoral performance, it has attempted to redefine itself as a social democratic party since 2021.

So, is the PRI trying to appeal to the Mexican working class? If things continue as they are, the PRI will soon dissolve (like the PRD) and most of its members will likely join the PAN, while some more left-wing members will likely join MORENA.

[–] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago

Amid the party's worsening electoral performance, it has attempted to redefine itself as a social democratic party since 2021.

So, is the PRI trying to appeal to the Mexican working class? If things continue as they are, the PRI will soon dissolve (like the PRD) and most of its members will likely join the PAN, while some more left-wing members will likely join MORENA.

Retvrn to original roots, I guess.

[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 64 points 2 days ago (8 children)

https://archive.ph/rGhB1

Pentagon fires intelligence agency chief after Iran attack assessment

US defence secretary Pete Hegseth has fired the Pentagon's intelligence agency chief, just weeks after a White House rebuke of a review assessing the impact of American strikes on Iran. Lt Gen Jeffery Kruse will no longer serve as head of US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Pentagon said in a statement. Two other senior military commanders have also been ousted by the Pentagon. The defence department has not offered any immediate explanation on the firings.

In June, President Donald Trump had pushed back strongly on a leaked DIA report that found that attacks on Iran had set back its nuclear programme by months only. The White House declared the agency's assessment "flat out wrong". Trump had declared the nuclear sites in Iran "completely destroyed", and had accused the media of "an attempt to demean one of the most successful military strikes in history". Speaking at the Nato summit at the time, Hegseth had said that the report was made on "low intelligence" and that the FBI was probing the leak. Kruse's exit was first reported by the Washington Post.

The DIA is part of the Pentagon and specialises in military intelligence to support operations. It collects large amounts of technical intelligence, but is distinct from other agencies like the CIA. It is understood that Hegseth had also ordered the removal of the chief of US Naval reserves and the commander of Naval Special Warfare Command, an anonymous source told Reuters on Friday. In a statement, US Senator Mark Warner warned that Kruse's sacking was a sign that Trump had a "dangerous habit of treating intelligence as a loyalty test rather than a safeguard for our country".

Trump has removed a number of officials whose analysis have been seen to be at odds with the president. In July, Trump said that he had ordered his team to dismiss Commissioner of Labor Statistics Erika McEntarfer "immediately", after a report showed that job growth had slowed. And in April, Trump fired General Timothy Haugh as director of the National Security Agency, along with more than a dozen staff at the White House national security council. Hegseth has also pushed out a number of military officials at the Pentagon. In February, he fired Air Force General C Q Brown, who was dismissed along with five other admirals and generals.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The inability to analyze and strategize objectively, guarantees future defeats

Love to see it, hope it continues che-smile

No intelligence, only ego boostingonly-throw

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fascists and the inability to accept the reality in the ground.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

nineteeneightyfour sycophants only

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

let 'em fight

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Things like this make me think that the military will coup Trump, or the his regime sooner or later.

[–] Cunigulus@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

They'd actually have to care enough. I don't think they have it in them unless Trump tries to make them do something truly insane.

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 75 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I thought this twitter thread was interesting:

Why Washington wants Maduro out:

The U.S. campaign to break Venezuela isn’t about “restoring democracy.” It’s about shutting down a sovereign state that can disrupt oil flows, bypass the dollar, and host adversaries three hours from Miami.

Gulf Coast refineries are tuned to heavy sour crude, Venezuela’s specialty. After Trump revoked Chevron’s waiver in February 2025, Treasury granted a restricted license on July 30, following a July 24 Reuters report that authorizations were imminent.

The license bars proceeds from reaching the Maduro government. U.S. imports resumed on August 21 under those constraints. A sovereign Caracas that can meter Orinoco flows still wields a price lever, sanctions mute it, but don’t erase it.

Caracas has already tested non-dollar lifelines, oil-for-fuel swaps, yuan- and euro-denominated settlement, and off-ramps through third countries. In 2025, Venezuela has kept lobbying for BRICS+ association after Brazil’s 2024 veto.

If a sanctioned mid-tier petrostate can keep selling without the dollar, the sanctions machine loses aura. Breaking Maduro is message traffic to the rest of OPEC+ and BRICS-adjacent capitals: settle outside our rails and we will bankrupt your state or replace your cabinet.

The court-supervised auction of PDV Holding, CITGO’s parent, is deep into 2025 bidding and recommendations to satisfy $19B in creditor claims. Regime change would guarantee corporate custody of Orinoco Belt reserves and downstream infrastructure without legal friction. “Anti-corruption” becomes the solvent for ownership transfer.

Washington cannot tolerate an allied logistics node for adversaries a three-hour flight from Miami. Caracas has run refinery rehab, fuel swaps, and technical assistance with sanctioned states; it hosts political and commercial channels that punch through U.S. veto power.

The 2025 SOUTHCOM posture statement focuses on countering “malign influence” and notes the Guyana–Venezuela flashpoint. Overthrow Maduro, and you sever those corridors, re-impose inspection rights on ports and airfields, and re-install U.S. ISR reach across the Caribbean.

In February 2025, the U.S. designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist Organization. In March, the administration invoked the Alien Enemies Act to remove suspected members without standard due process.

Roughly 250 Venezuelans were sent to El Salvador’s CECOT supermax under the program before courts curtailed it; reporting indicates El Salvador received around $20,000 per detainee per year.

In May, a declassified National Intelligence Council memo assessed the Maduro regime “probably does not” direct TdA’s operations in the U.S., a sharp split between intelligence and policy.

In May 2025, the International Court of Justice ordered Venezuela to refrain from holding elections in the disputed Essequibo region. ExxonMobil’s Stabroek expansion and U.S.–Guyana defense cooperation continue in parallel, insulating Guyana’s ramp from Venezuelan contestation.

The Arco Minero, gold, coltan, rare metals, gives Caracas hard-currency elasticity under sanctions. U.S. sanctions on Venezuelan gold date back to 2018–2019, and the UAE remains a major laundering hub per 2025 reporting. A friendly government would “formalize” the belt, which is code for foreign custody of extraction and export.

Venezuela still runs Telesur and state-backed media partnerships across Latin America. Overthrow resets the signal environment: licenses revoked, stations defunded, embassies realigned, and every future crisis reframed through Washington’s lens, no more competing broadcast from Caracas into the region.

If Venezuela can outlast 26 years of sanctions, sabotage, coup attempts, and still retain its oil lever, others learn the blueprint. If it falls, the lesson is simpler: nationalize at scale, and your cabinet gets replaced.

That is the real objective, code a rule into the system: sovereignty that interferes with U.S. energy, currency, or logistics lanes is a temporary condition.

That’s the stack. Energy discipline, dollar hegemony, asset capture, hemispheric denial, domestic optics, Esequibo insulation, mineral custody, narrative blackout, and exemplary punishment. Everything else is cover noise.

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago

If a sanctioned mid-tier petrostate can keep selling without the dollar, the sanctions machine loses aura.

Funny way to phrase things, but likely an accurate view into how the imperialists see the issue.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s the stack. Energy discipline, dollar hegemony, asset capture, hemispheric denial, domestic optics, Esequibo insulation, mineral custody, narrative blackout, and exemplary punishment. Everything else is cover noise.

Some ChatGPT ass looking stuff in this piece.

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All of those terms of relevant I think, but written in a dumb vague way. Or are you just talking about the way it's written?

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The bigger question is how far is the US willing to go? I fear under Trump things will escalate even more. I doubt all that muscle in the Caribbean is for show alone...

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Venezuela is not Panama or the DR, an invasion would not be easy, and that's not counting the support that Venezuela would receive from neighboring countries (and also from Russia and China). A naval invasion would be suicide for the USA, even anti-Chavista news outlets have reported that Trump's action have given Maduro more support from the population, even opposition members (more moderate ones) have said they don't want an invasion.

A war in Venezuela would be a long and brutal one, even if they beat the Venezuelan Armed Forces, there are lots of Paramilitary and Guerrilla groups ready to continue fighting the Americans for years. Besides, without direct support from Brazil or Colombia, theres no way an invasion of Venezuela would go well (The Guyanese-Venezuelan border is controlled by the Brazilian Military, all the roads and checkpoints are under Brazilian or Venezuelan control, so no, the US couldn't use it to invade Venezuela, also because Guyana has basically no real armed forces. In 2024 an attack helicopter fell because of the rain and it killed 4 generals, who were like 50% of all generals in Guyana and 20% of their airforce).

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

I agree with your analysis, but then, when have fascists ever been sensible?

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

Just like the Ukraine War, China's tariffs, and the 12 day war with Iran, every step the US tries to take in attempting to grasp at its dying hegemony only sinks it deeper into destruction.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Someone made a website documenting ukrainian draft kidnappings. https://uadraftmuseum.ch/

[–] TheOtherwise@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

video

Wasn't there also just a video posted in this thread recently of some dude getting dragged into a van and fighting against it? that doesn't narrow it down, no, but it was recent. I cant find it.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The Hebrew on the footer of the website is just the reversal of the Hebrew saying for "whoever saves a life saved the entire world" to "One who loses one soul is considered to have lost an entire world." This is from what ive gathered from machine translations and cursory research.

I think this might be good go send as a primer for educating others on the SMO. I think seeing a young zelensky is very impactful on how much this conflict has shaped ukraine into what it is today.

[–] Lisitsyn@hexbear.net 61 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago

only people on the internet will support you

a lot more people really need to have this talk with their moms

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago

prigo-pog really fell for the memes

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What's the context of this?

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] jack@hexbear.net 49 points 3 days ago

Appeal to your fucking husband

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago

Your pathetic husband first.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago

why is she carrying so many watermelons?

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You know the story going round atm 'Ghislaine Maxwell denies seeing 'inappropriate' conduct by Trump' she also said the same thing about Clinton, I wonder why that isn't being included in headlines and being buried in articles if reported at all?

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This hole "imprisioned person says good things about the people that could free her" thing is a true mystery.

The voice of a convicted child sex offender is important and consequently must be heard

[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 59 points 3 days ago (6 children)

the Pivot to Asia, except its Grandpa Simpson walking in, seeing thousands of PLA missiles pointed at him, and walking out https://archive.ph/RfUEf

Should America’s military plan for a retreat from the Pacific?

When America goes to war, it likes to be on the offensive. “Nobody ever defended anything successfully,” Gen. George S. Patton famously said. “There is only attack and attack and attack some more.” But for six months after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. military retreated and retreated some more. The U.S. garrison in the Philippines, under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, steadily retreated before the Japanese onslaught that culminated in the surrender at Bataan in May 1942. Isolated outposts at Wake Island and Guam fell, while the decimated and outnumbered U.S. fleet carefully stuck to hit-and-run as America mobilized for total war. Today, a U.S. Army officer has a warning: In the face of growing Chinese military power, America needs to relearn how to conduct a fighting retreat in the Pacific.

“Fading advantages in firepower, distributed forces, and the growing operational reach of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) require an expansion of operational thought,” wrote Maj. Patrick Smith in a recent essay for Military Review, an Army professional publication. “The joint force must consider methods of retrograde to shape advantages in time, space, and force.”

I fucking love tactical-speak, admiral-biederman's bits of it are barely even exaggerated, American cops and troops do genuinely talk like this. I'm expanding my operational thought dude, I'm fucking shaping my advantage in time and space!

Smith lists several factors that imperil America’s position in the Pacific. “Small constellations of U.S. elements — ashore and afloat — encircle the looming mass of mainland China,” he wrote. “Operating on tenuous exterior lines, they are vulnerable to defeat in detail by a prodigious array of standoff munitions or blockade.” Resupply is difficult within range of Chinese weapons, reserves of personnel and munitions are scarce, and “regional partners can quickly about-face on support to U.S. forces, making presence in some locales untenable.” Smith also worries that the U.S. lacks sufficient sealift, arguing that “glaring training shortfalls in crisis response, worsened by maintenance deficiencies, compromise U.S. capacity to conduct amphibious actions.”

...

Smith argues that the U.S. needs to relearn how to retreat. “Fighting withdrawals and delays will be sharpened arrows in the quiver of operational leaders campaigning in the early stages of a Pacific fight,” he wrote. “In those precarious moments, the joint force should prudently select positions from which it can absorb repeated blows while degrading enemy means.” Smith envisions a widely distributed joint force that would “confound the PLA with a targeting dilemma if it decides to switch to the offensive.” Deception operations would be key: “Similar to Grant’s illusory movements to confuse Lee, feints, demonstrations, and advances within and outside of theater may freeze enemy actions to create time and space for movement of friendly forces.” Adroit maneuvers, well-timed withdrawals and clever deception operations would exploit American strengths and Chinese weaknesses, Smith argued.

Y'know, somehow I don't think China's really planning on, like, chasing the USN around and seizing random Pacific islands. If the US retreats from the closest islands and thus loses the bases that they could most effectively strike China from... then, uh, that's pretty good for the Chinese? That'd be a pretty funny WW3 actually, the US retreats in order to bait PLAN into chasing them, and China just goes "uh, okay, cool!" and continues on as usual, with the war turning into just occasional skirmishes while Americans at home are going fucking insane from continuous seething rage-cry (and then we all get nuked, which would be more the matt-joker kind of funny). But yeah, this isn't an invasion of Russia (with the US in the role of Russia) - a fighting retreat only works if the enemy actually chases you so you can inflict casualties on them during the process, hence the fighting part.

The thing about distributing your forces is that you're buying their survival with the degradation of your own offensive capability - you need a certain degree of mass to actually attack effectively. We see the ground equivalent of this in Ukraine - with drones and omnipresent ISR, it's difficult to actually mass troops for an attack without them getting struck ahead of time, which in turn relegates combat to mostly small skirmishes, without any big-arrow moves that can make large gains. This was a factor in the failure of Ukraine's 2023 counteroffensive, where they didn't have the sufficient mass of troops necessary to penetrate Russian defenses - and the persistent cope among Western commentators was that the Ukrainians just decided not to do that because they were dumb morons, rather than acknowledging that maybe they simply could not do that because of the circumstances of the modern battlefield. There's also examples of this going all the way back to WW2 - the German defense against the Normandy landings was stifled by Allied air superiority, forcing German mechanized troops to split up in smaller units and travel at night and across smaller roads in order to avoid being spotted and bombed, which slowed their repositioning to Normandy and caused them to arrive piecemeal rather than as whole coherent divisions, and thus be unable to counter-attack anywhere near as effectively.

And the same thing can play out with naval and air operations - if you're not sending in enough planes and missiles to actually overwhelm the enemy's air defenses, then you're not going to get anywhere. If you split up your fleets in smaller units so they can disperse and be less vulnerable, then each one of those new units won't be able to hit anywhere near as hard. And additionally, resupplying a distributed force becomes much more logistically complex - the resupplies themselves are also vulnerable and need protection. Again going back to WW2, the Allies started out with lots of small convoys over the Atlantic, but later shifted to a smaller number of much larger convoys which, by featuring a greater concentration of ships, were much more capable of defending themselves against German subs. Except if you've distributed your force, you don't have that option - you'll need lots of convoys (although these days air-supply is at least a lot more viable) to reach all the small units you've broken up your forces into.


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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“Nobody ever defended anything successfully,” Gen. George S. Patton famously said.

I know he was probably the most anti-communist that ever anti-communisted, but does he not know about Stalingrad? About the entire eastern front of the war he is most famous for commanding forces in?

[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Also, does he know about his own experience at the Battle of Metz, where his "attack and attack and attack some more" approach amounted to basically the human-wave attacks that Westerners accuse the Soviets of doing? (although admittedly, I couldn't find a date on that quote, so it may have been from before this)

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-last-effort-germanys-final-battle

Meanwhile, farther to the south, General Patton’ 3rd Army had a damnably difficult slog trying to clear the Germans out of the Loraine Region. In particular, the Germans put up a fierce resistance at the fortress complex around Metz, and Patton’s attack - which began on September 27 - could not clear out the last pockets of resistance until December 13.

The Lorraine Campaign became a topic of notoriety and great criticism against Patton (though today most people have never heard of it). Like the rest of the allied operations in the autumn of 1944, Patton’s assault towards Metz was nothing more than a frontal assault which generated huge casualties, with the American advance greatly complicated by both incessant rain and logistical difficulties. Patton became somewhat obsessed with Metz, which he grandly (and incorrectly) proclaimed had not been captured in centuries. However, Patton the cavalryman was completely out of his element in a grinding positional slog, and really did very little to direct the battle - he communicated only infrequently with his subordinates, rarely intervened in battle management, and generally spent most of his time griping at his command post and in his diary. He speculated that his army was being deliberately starved of fuel as a sop to Montgomery, and that the supply difficulties were somehow being manufactured to influence the presidential election back home in the USA. Meanwhile, he wrote to his wife asking her to send him Pepto-Bismol - what he called “pink medicin” - claiming that the rain and the slogging attack were giving him an excess of bile.

love to get so fucking angry at how much I suck that I give myself acid reflux

By any measure, the Loraine Campaign was not Patton’s finest moment. He was essentially missing in action, exerting little control over the operation, preferring to gripe and pout in his headquarters. Meanwhile, his Third Army created a meatgrinder in its assault, suffering 55,000 casualties in addition to some 42,000 “nonbattle” casualties - frostbite, sickness, trench foot, and the like. The latter in particular had become an epidemic among American troops, who found that the army regulation footwear was simply inadequate for cold or wet weather. The American quartermaster in Europe, General Robert Littlejohn, admitted that in snow the standard issue boots were “nothing but a sponge tied around the soldier’s foot.” But boots or no boots, the attack went on. When Bradley urged Patton to break off the attack on Metz - “For God’s sake, lay off it”, he said, “You are taking too many casualties for what you are accomplishing” - Patton ignored him and railed about Bradley’s timidity in his diary.

you want me to not waste the lives of thousands of men in stupid attacks? what a fucking pussy

one of the "greatest" American generals btw

But Bradley had a point - Lorraine was remarkably costly to Patton’s Army. According to a 1985 US Army study of the campaign (which emphasized Patton’s indifference to overstraining his logistics) fully a third of all the casualties suffered by Patton’s 3rd Army in the entire war were incurred in Lorraine during only a three month period. Probably the most poignant summary of the autumn fighting came from a war reporter embedded with Patton’s 5th Infantry Division, which took tremendous losses reducing one of the Metz forts. He wrote, simply: “We were attempting to assault a medieval fortress in a medieval manner.” But perhaps we are being too hard on Patton - Bradley’s Operation Queen fared no better, nor were the British going anywhere fast up in the Netherlands.

It was by any reckoning a miserable autumn, one which has been largely forgotten in the historiography simply because it seems to be such an aberration - an archaic throwback to the last war. Instead of sweeping mechanized operations, the war had devolved into ugly frontal assaults that burned through entire infantry battalions to advance 200 yards through the forest and the mud. Losses were severe enough that American units became chronically understrength, and casualties routinely outstripped replacements. Patton, in an effort to keep his frontline units as strong as possible, began rounding up rear area personnel - clerks, administrative personnel, drivers, and so forth - to be added to his rifle units after a cursory infantry training. By December, fully 10% of Patton’s rear area personnel had been thus “drafted” into the infantry. We are of course used to the idea that the Germans had to increasingly resort to emergency stopgap measures to fight the war, but the idea that the powerful American Army would have to do likewise is more troubling.


btw, this whole "forgotten" phase of the fighting on the Western front I feel is pretty important for understanding how truly important the Soviet war effort was, especially as we're now inundated with narratives downplaying their contribution and overplaying the Western one. This was late '44 - the Allies were facing a thoroughly depleted Germany, one which had already lost a massive amount of men (and some of their best officers, either to death or to just being fired since they displeased Hitler) and equipment on the Eastern front, and whose industrial output was being heavily reduced by bombardment. They were also trying to get past a defensive line which, while hyped up in propaganda, was in actuality quite sloppy (more from the same article):

In theory, much of the German defense was now anchored on the infamous “Siegfried Line”, or the “West Wall” - a dense nest of German defenses erected in a sort of mirror image to France’s prewar Maginot Line. On paper, fighting on a prepared defensive line ought to have accrued significant advantages for the Wehrmacht, and indeed German propaganda relentlessly trumpeted the idea of the Reich’s impenetrable western border, defended as it was by both the West Wall and the Rhine. However, notwithstanding the obvious anachronism of an “impenetrable defensive line”, and even ignoring the obviously stark warning from Germany’s own experience in 1918, when they had lost the war despite having both the Hindenburg Line and the Rhine to defend behind, it turned out that the mighty West Wall was not all it was cracked up to be. In particular, the West Wall had several specific defects:

  • Much of the original line had been built in 1938 and 1939, designed to withstand the ordnance of the day - consequentially, many of the emplacements were simply not built to survive the much more powerful weaponry in use by 1944.
  • Many of the West Wall’s heavy weapons (particularly artillery) and equipment (like radios) had been stripped down throughout the war for use elsewhere, and in particular to equip the Atlantic Wall in France.
  • An emergency construction program designed to get the wall back into fighting shape was entrusted to domestic Nazi party officials (Gauleiter) and civilian construction crews who had no real understanding of military engineering; consequentially, the new portions of the line tended to be haphazard tangles of bunkers, pillboxes, trenches, barbed wire, and tank obstacles which were not arranged in a systematic way - for example, there was relatively little thought given to lines of sight or fields of fire.

Thus, despite the ostensible impregnability of the West Wall, German troops found a disappointing mixture of sloppily built new fortifications and outdated prewar bunkers that would be pulverized by modern allied munitions - and underlying it all, an endemic shortage of heavy weapons, communications equipment, ammunition, mines, and men. Probably the best thing that can be said for the West Wall is that it did at least have plenty of obstacles to complicate the allied assault, and the presence of the belt helped give confidence to inexperienced Volksgrenadier units who did not know any better - green troops always feel and fight better in fixed defenses. But certainly, no German soldier with even a modicum of realism believed that they could hold the line in the west indefinitely.

And yet... the Allies, despite their massive advantages, were still slowed down substantially and forced to take great casualties overcoming these mediocre fortifications.

Wall to wall armies from the channel to the Alps, limited mobility, and fires-intensive frontal assaults across a broad front. If it sounds familiar, that’s because it is - and for the last three months of 1944, the Germans and the Allies would fight an attritional-positional battle reminiscent of the First World War: a gruesome homage to the war their fathers fought.

Meanwhile, the Soviets were out doing multiple massive offensives a year, over far larger territory, wiping out entire German Army Groups.

[–] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

He speculated that his army was being deliberately starved of fuel

prigo-pog

Stimson, Marshall, where is the fuel?

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