this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2025
672 points (99.3% liked)

News

31867 readers
2582 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Ten years after the Supreme Court extended marriage rights to same-sex couples nationwide, the justices this fall will consider for the first time whether to take up a case that explicitly asks them to overturn that decision.

Kim Davis, the former Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for six days in 2015 after refusing to issue marriage licenses to a gay couple on religious grounds, is appealing a $100,000 jury verdict for emotional damages plus $260,000 for attorneys fees.

In a petition for writ of certiorari filed last month, Davis argues First Amendment protection for free exercise of religion immunizes her from personal liability for the denial of marriage licenses.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 274 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

You're not free to enforce your religion on others as a public servant.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 184 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes you are. Crime is legal now as long as you’re a conservative

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 97 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Supreme Court: We're public servants and we're free to enforce our religion on others.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago

Enter Trump

Now it is!

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 148 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

I genuinely do not understand how this was ever a case. You are an employee at an office that provides a service. You are a representative of that organization. And, as a civil service employee, I would expect you are obligated by the laws of that county or state to facilitate the services offered.

Davis, as the Rowan County Clerk in 2015, was the sole authority tasked with issuing marriage licenses on behalf of the government under state law.

ON BEHALF OF

Regardless if you're in this position or you're the president, you are obligated by the state or federal constitution to operate as a representative of that jurisdiction's laws.

If she took on this job while knowing it would conflict with her religious views, or the laws changed in a matter that conflicted with her views, she should have notified the county and she should have been denied or removed from that position. Although, I'm sure that raises a different case in denying someone employment based on their religion.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 116 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

I once asked my mother if it would be ok for a Muslim or Jewish deli employee to refuse to sell her pork. She said they shouldn't be in that job if it conflicted with their religious beliefs. I tried to tie that to this and she sort of shut down rather than argue against it or accept it.

We don't have a relationship anymore. She voted for the shithead every time.

[–] 0li0li@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The deli owner can actually deny service to however they want since it's a private business. They don't have to serve anyone, but it does look fucking bad if/when they discrininate, but technically they can.

Here, that government employee HAS the obligation to follow the law and act regardless of her own beliefs. Maybe she should instead run a deli...

Your example is very good, in fact, it prouves your mother wrong in 2 different ways.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

There's a big difference between a deli owner and a deli employee. An owner wouldn't choose to even have pork available to sell if they didn't want to sell it. If is it available to sell, and an employee chooses not to sell it because of their religious beliefs, that's definitely a problem, but (as you said) not discrimination, just bad business and the owner should fire them immediately.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments (26 replies)
[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 110 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Interracial marriage is on the table too with these fascists.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 54 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Not just interracial marriage, they don’t want people to be able to become citizens through marriage.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 14 points 2 weeks ago

Oh that'll stay, it will just become a bit more complicated. Luckily here I have a handy chart you can reference though: us-foreign-policy

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 86 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If they're going to open the door to any government employee being able to refuse to do their job as directed on religious grounds, this country is going to grind to a halt.

Just kidding, we all know that with the current court and administration, this will only allow people with the "right" religion to refuse.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 weeks ago

An in-group that the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group that the law binds but does not protect. Conservatism in a nutshell.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 76 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Could we just get government out of the marriage game? It seems to be the source of all the problems. They simply shouldn't care.

Even if we don't this is such a simple concept: Marriage is a contract. The requirements for a contract is consenting adults. How can they make gender determine who can sign a contract? That would be unreasonable.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you're second point is more important. The religious part of marriage is actually meaningless in the eyes of the law even today, you still need to apply for a marriage certificate with the government.

I think we just need to extend that to just be a cohabitation/shared asset contract for any two+ people. It makes a lot of legal sense to have a defined "family unit" for medical/legal/financial reasons, but it shouldn't overlap with religious concepts.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

Religion is a monstrous evil.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

But Jesus said gays bad!

He didn't say anything about love!

Oh, wait...

load more comments (10 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course they are. And of course that stupid bitch Kim Davis is involved.

Also: how could Joe Biden and Kamala Harris do this to us?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (29 children)

Also: really glad protest voters sat this one out, I can't begin to imagine how much worse this would be under Kamala /s

load more comments (29 replies)
[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 2 weeks ago

Can this bitch just fucking die already? I'm tired of seeing her face in the news every couple years

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Who is the injured party here? She clearly refused to do her job.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

You don't understand, she was forced to undergo social contact with... shudder GAYS!

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Injured parties are for legal systems that actually care about the truth.

See several of the recent Supreme Court cases with astroturf plaintiffs and made up defendants.

Because it's super easy to get the ruling you want when no one is on the other side to call bullshit on your claims.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] etherphon@midwest.social 60 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What a horrible, terrible, evil piece of shit of a person. A lot of people serve other people they don't like every day, it's called having a fucking job, no need to make a federal fucking case out of it you stupid selfish childish pious asshole.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 2 weeks ago

What a hateful piece of shit.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

Also, what's going on with the Epstein Files? Ya know, while we're on the subject of "Dead Cat Theory"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You work for the government, you are acting as the government, paid for by taxes from your constituents.

You do not get to decide which laws to follow. Fuck off Kim.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

Another 3 to 6 decision then. It's getting kind of repetitive.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yooooo.... This bitch is still doing the same, heinous shit? A decade later? Why don't these pieces of shit just get fucking lives or hobbies or something? They're like goddamned ghouls, hanging around and smelling of shit. Like. Fuck. GO AWAY.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can we get someone who believes in Jakub elected as county clerk somewhere in the US South? Then they can deny marriage licenses to all the white people for being inhuman.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck. Not this asshole again. She should have faded into obscurity and poverty by now.

[–] Kwyjibo1@lemmy.myserv.one 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But her divorces and multiple marriages are fine.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Petition the court to allow us to stone her to death because the Bible says so.

[–] KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is how it goes people, either everyone gets rights or no one gets rights.

They come for the Trans people first, how long until the come for you.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Same shit with immigration. First they say they are only going after the violent criminals and "bad hombres". Now they are racially profiling the people they snatch off the street in unmarked vans. Only a matter of time before the pool of "bad actors" expands to the political opposition.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 weeks ago

"Davis said she's been "called Hitler, I’ve been called [a] hypocrite, I’ve been called a homophobe."

"I’ve been called things and names that I didn’t even say when I was in the world. Those names don’t hurt me," Davis said. "What probably hurt me the worst is when someone tells me that my God does not love me or that my God is not happy with me, that I am a hypocrite of a Christian.""

Lmao, so you don't mind being called Hitler, but being called a fake Christian - now that's insulting! Tells you everything you need to know

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Depressing as hell but honestly, I’m surprised it took this long.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Would this be a record turnaround for revoking a group's rights?

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

So could she have refused to serve a black person or an Asian person based on her personal religious views that she doesn't like black or Asian people?

load more comments (10 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›