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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Putin is demanding that Ukraine cede its entire eastern Donbas area to Russia as well as Crimea, which his forces illegally annexed in 2014. Any deal on those terms would hand Russia a victory that its army couldn’t achieve militarily since the start of the full-scale invasion.

Ummm, I might be wrong, but they've been holding that territory pretty decently since they've taken it

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pretty easy to hold a territory when the people who live there voted to do so

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Literally had people tell me that those votes were rigged and the whole ethnic cleansing thing was a hoax

Gonna be really funny to see how they take any deal where Ukraine cedes territory

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

lmao Jimmy Carter's org said the Crimea vote was above-board, and iirc they were supposed to have a referendum (separate from the USSR being destroyed) in the 90s but the new Kiev government didn't run it.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 month ago
[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

his forces illegally annexed in 2014

Also this whole myth that Putin personally annexed Donbas a decade ago, instead of the people there voting to cecede and getting shelled by the Kiev regime for eight years before Russia finally caved and went to help.

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think that's in reference to Crimea, not the Donbass.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

pretty sure Crimea also held a referendum

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, although that hasn't stopped imperialists from calling it an illegal annexation.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

if you think about it, any time a territory doesn't join NATO is a crime against the human right to buy Raytheon and Lockheed Martin products

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"Looks like they're about to sign the peace deal...but what's this? It's Boris Johnson coming in with a flying piledriver from the top rope!"

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, Bojo was just delivering the message, the decision was made in the US. This time it's the empire desperately trying to save face.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's true, I was just making a silly joke.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

and I did get a chuckle out of it :)

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Brandon comes out of retirement for one last job - destroying Nordstream III explosion

[–] jUzzo6@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let me guess, Putin will be taken to the cleaners again (will be obvious only 7 years later) and Russia will cry that West duped them (again, is not funny anymore)

There was only one option once you decided to use military option you dolt, mobilize, use overwhelming force, crush your opponent. If you mistakenly not used this in first year, you should use this in second year. If you didn’t use it in the second year, should use it in the third year.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Personally, I can't see Russia making any actual concession here. I think the whole negotiation is about figuring out how Trump can save face while accepting Russian terms.