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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 points 1 hour ago

American politicians form third right-wing party.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

But mom says we already have conservative party at home

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 hour ago

Even if some unholy combo of the right and the slightly less right us what we wanted, this is literally just plotting for the spoiler effect

[–] j0ester@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Call it “MAGA? Nope!”

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 46 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs and nothing will change. Anything to keep progressives from taking power.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 10 points 9 hours ago

That would turn the Democrats into a progressive party, which would have nation wide positions, proper party infrastructure in every state and some funding systems. Given how few vote for third parties, that would be a huge win for progressives.

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 203 points 1 day ago (3 children)

“The Republican Party, as many of us know it, no longer exists,” said one source, who asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”

Translation: "Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I'm personally affected by my own stupidity I want to be friends with Democrats!"

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 28 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

And somehow, just somehow, his bills get passed.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 18 points 18 hours ago

They are concerned, but not concerned enough to risk losing reelection by going on record as being concerned.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 117 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (11 children)

This is a good thing. Don't mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.

Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 11 points 11 hours ago

Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You don't understand what they are saying. You don't understand what I'm saying.

You are the problem. Not some Republican politician whose lie you don't understand.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a very republican method of argument.

Edit: now tell them to go “do your own research”

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's not an argument. That is why you are confused, don't understand, and insult.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

and reclaim the middle ground.”

Bullshit it's good, it's a farce to make the "middle" somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.

None of them are going "Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders."

They've learned fuck-all.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Think of it as creating a new non-MAGA Republican Party, including a few right wing Democrats.

Democrat party continues as before, minus a handful of Jim Manchins

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

o asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”

Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m perso

But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there's 1-2 votes diff, people don't know why they're fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it's 65-35, it's much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I dunno man, that still feels like they're saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of "fuck the little guy" even if they won't outright support fascism.

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[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 11 points 20 hours ago

third parties just can't win under the current system. we'd need ranked choice voting.

the way forward is through the primaries. that's how we got Zohran.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 14 points 22 hours ago

I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It'll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.

The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).

I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.

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[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago

They said the same thing after Nixon... and after Reagan... and now after Trump. Moderates will eat it up and we will end up worse on the next cycle of debauchery.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A real simple fix would be ranked choice voting.

it's already been explicitly outlawed in several places.

[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

fix

Which is why it won't happen.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

After Mamdani, they're scared as fuck of ranked choice elections.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

They already were. The right has been sneaking bans on ranked choice voting into many red state legislations for many years now.

You may be thinking "how could they convince people to vote against ranked choice voting?!" By piggybacking on xenophobia of course!

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Even though that wouldn't have mattered in his case. He would have won the primary without the need for ranked choice.

[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

arguably ranked choice gave voters the confidence to pick the candidate that won an outright majority.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

That's a fair point.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 18 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

I live in uber-blue Oregon and the Dem politicians here rallied against it and got it defeated on the 2024 ballot.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago

Same here in Massachusetts back in 2020.

It's not necessarily a GOP vs Dem issue, it's dominant parties worried that giving voters more choice will weaken their control.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

We have it for Portland though! And it's working

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

Fuck yeah it is! Hawaii has RCV for some, but not most, elections. Still a step in the right direction.

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[–] londos@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

"Vote blue no matter who, but also we'll leave the party completely at the slightest hint you want to reduce income inequality and fix the broken social safety net."

Edit: Actually, good, fuck em. Why should the left need to start its own party. We're the Democrats now. Any Democratic official who leaves the party for this should be abandoned forever.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 24 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck that. Dem leadership has abandoned the people. The Democratic and Republicans are finished

[–] londos@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Probably true, but it's easier to move into an empty house than build a new one.

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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Ah, the Obstructionist Party.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

This seems like a trap that will enable the MAGAs to win more elections without a majority of votes.....

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, nah, we're good dawgs. The democrat-republican third party would just be what the Dems are now - a right-of-center status quo capitulation party. Fuck every single one of you and your mothers. Have a good day.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago

Realistically, the end goal is to replace the democratic party with the new one and abandon the growing progressive wing to obscurity.

[–] ChillCapybara@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 23 hours ago

“We need to get back to our centrist roots. This authoritarianism is hurting profits” said the capitalists en masse

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The article doesn't name names and only mentions "centerists." Those can all fuck off and make their own party. It will split the republican votes the most.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago

Should’ve pushed for ranked choice voting when they had the chance.

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