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[–] Karrion409@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

We're at a point where imo the only way to fix things here is captial C and captial D Civil Disobedience. At risk of getting put on a list and deported or smth I'm not gonna go into specifics but I'm sure you can figure out what I'm getting at.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is time to renew the Tree of Liberty.

Fuck that, time to arm Liberty Prime

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (64 children)

Human rights are officially a thing of the past. None of us qualify for citizenship if he removes that definition.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can the supreme court just straight up ignore the constitution, under the constitution?

Surely no, right?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Sure. But who can enforce that?

Only the Congress, by impeachment. But the Congressional majority is fine with dismantling checks and balances and nullifying whole swaths of the Constitution that protect our rights.

[–] xycu@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Theoretically they are supposed to have an adversarial relationship with the Congress and the president, but...

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I hate how we (Australia) are so closely tied to a country that is speed-running the late Roman republic.

It's all there, a "democratic" system run by the wealthy, for the wealthy, physical intimidation of voters and politicians, a rigged voting system, ignoring the law for the benefit of a populist leader promising to deliver the masses from the corrupt establishment.

How many times per day does your boyfriend think of the Roman Empire?

Recently, surely dozens

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[–] KarlHungus42@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

First ones to be deported should be melania and baron

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jr, Ivanka, and Eric would also be removed. Tiffany is the only "true" American.

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[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

so according to the new laws, if you go up in the generations far enough, no american is a citizen.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

A goldmine for selective enforcement.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Wouldn't it be simpler if he just ended citizenship? Then he could freely oppress just about anyone.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 days ago

"Congratulations! You've just been promoted to US Deputy Secretary of State for the Trump Administration.. Thank you for your great ideas!"

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[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 37 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Looking into it this whole thing is way more complicated than the headline makes it sound. The Supreme Court didn't actually give Trump permission to end birthright citizenship, they just made a ruling about how courts can block federal policies nationwide.

Basically what happened: Trump's birthright citizenship order has been blocked by multiple federal judges who said it's probably unconstitutional. Instead of arguing the constitutional issue (which he'd probably lose), Trump's team asked the Supreme Court to limit judges' power to issue nationwide blocks on policies. The Court agreed 6-3, but they specifically did NOT rule on whether ending birthright citizenship is legal.

So now Trump's celebrating like he won, but really all that changed is the procedural stuff. The constitutional problems with his order are still there: the 14th Amendment is pretty clear about birthright citizenship. Lower courts still have to reconsider their rulings, and immigrant rights groups are already filing new lawsuits.

It's more of a tactical win for Trump that might let him try to implement parts of his agenda in some places, but the fundamental legal challenges haven't gone away. The Truthout article is at least a little hyperbolic imo.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He did win though, because by telling federal judges that their rulings against executive orders cannot be.. Federal, nationwide, the supreme court took away about 99% of the (already mediocre) checks and balances against Trump's power (and any presidents power). To pass it off as just some procedural stuff misses how impactful this is, the only court powers that can stop his kings laws by edict ('executive orders') now are: case by case state-based rulings for federal judges, and the supreme court itself for nationwide rulings.

This is largely what Justice Sotomayor said in her dissent: this is a huge expansion of presidential powers by the SC removing restrictions from the president, over an issue that is abundantly clearly illegal (denying birthright citizenship), and it leaves the door wide open to further illegal orders.

Her dissent is worth a read, it begins on page 54: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a884_8n59.pdf

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 77 points 3 days ago (17 children)

If you end birthright citizenship, then nobody gets to be a citizen by birth. If you can't be a citizen by birth, the only way to become a citizen is naturalization. If the only citizens are naturalized people, the country is 100% immigrants.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From what I understand, its not the supreme court ok'd his move rather they stopped other lower federal courts from creating injunctions that stop the entire process, and they now limited them to stopping only those who bring forth lawsuits and who are affected by whatever it is.

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