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TLDR - what’s the question mark in the following scale

Cult(-1)……………….Religion(0)……………….????(+1)

Long version (a.k.a my stupid mind’s question that is keeping me awake):

My understanding of cult is a group of people with an absurd or even possibly nefarious belief system. Like something negative.

By that definition I would put religion in the middle (though a majority of it leans towards the cult side). A group of people that is very serious about what they believe in, no matter how illogical it is.

So with this understanding what would you call the positive side ? A group of people coming together to have a tradition and belief system just for the fun of it ? Is there such thing ?

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[–] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I think of cults as more of systems of control. MLMs, jobs (Theranos), large-group awareness training (nxivm), political groups (Maga), exercise groups (CrossFit), fandoms, book clubs, families, online groups, etc can all be cults.

I suggest the podcast IndoctriNation⁠ by Rachel Bernstein to see many ways these "systems of control" as she calls them can manifest.

I personally think that cult behavior is just normal behavior taken to the extreme so there really isn't an opposite. Maybe being alone with no relationships.

The various types of groups we are on family, friends, work, recreational, etc have various controls on how you act and speak. This isn't necessarily bad. You probably want to be a little different with family than with your hobby group. I explained the broader meaning of cults to my Dad and he said the Marines have those aspects. I think an important part to know if a group is probably fine is if you can leave with no issues. If there are consequences to leaving the group that's a huge red flag.

I suggest looking at the BITE Model of Authoritarian Control. Which is a useful tool to check if a group is a cult. You can read up on problems with this tool, but it's still a good starting point.

Edit: No one joins a cult. They join groups for positive reasons and then those groups either turn into cults or as they get deeper into the group the control parts are introduced.

We all probably brushed up against cults without knowing. You could go to an exercise/spiritual/hobby/other group and what you don't know is if you had gotten more involved and took the special classes, or volunteered and became a part of the in group you could have become a part of a cult.

[–] xJc13@quokk.au 5 points 1 day ago

My friendship.

It's full of love, support, and it's free.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

At the far end of the spectrum, with no judging and only help, is a food bank.

[–] Steve@communick.news 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The key difference between religions and cults, is the level of restrictions on outside information.

On that scale cults are at one end, religion in the middle, and science at the other end.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't like to see science presented as a belief system. Science is a tool for establishing fact about the natural world in a methodical and reproducible way. For debating the existence of gods, you need philosophy.

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[–] jcr@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

Belief , like the traditional cult of the ancestors in China, where you have no "priest" or "guru", it is just a bunch of people relying on elders to mimick the rituals, but in fact nobody remember it well, it is all disorganized, and nobody is really checking for "correctness" as much as checking if the commitment is done with intent. So the opposite of having a strong vertical domination by one person (cult) or an organized institution (religion) is a weak control of the rites by anyone (belief)

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Bowling league

A community in which everyone has equal power and acts in solidarity with one another

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First and foremost, not all cults are negative. From that point we can have the scale be cult specific.

Negative Cult(-1) - Benign Cult (0) - Positive Cult (+1)

The opposite I would assume would be non spiritual groups of people who connect in another way outside of something "spiritual", without a set standard for beliefs provided by a singular leader required to be member to the group.

Negative Group(-1) - Benign Group (0) - Positive Group(+1)

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok, I'll bite. Can you give me your definition of a cult? And then a positive and a negative example?

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[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Philosophy or science?

book reading club?

I don't think this is smth that is to be put on a scale.

You can force the matter by choosing a narrative.

I mean you could argue for self deification, science, totalitarianism. Anything could be forced to make sense.

Now from your angle, where a groups beliefs offer predominantly positive benefits, eco restoration groups, foss folks, creative commons collective etc.

I would say philosophy.

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