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Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 2 days ago

To torture people, of course.

State terrorism, plain and simple

[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can we not relitigate this. I remember this from like 18 years ago. It was not a good time.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It wasn't taken care of then, which is why we're dealing with it now. After all, we have to mOvE oN aNd LoOk To ThE fUtUrE iNsTeAd Of DwElLiNg On ThE pAsT.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

yeah. The civil war is starting.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 281 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.

That sums up this administration's direction pretty succinctly.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.

Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's ignorant to underscore the importance of Trump. He's made himself as irreplaceable to their plans as possible. He relies on them to work like all kings do, but without him they'll have a much harder time keeping the coalition from cannibalizing itself.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We can only hope that the Big Macs and lack of exercise kill him quickly.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Totally agree with what you said. It was just easier to get a point across pointing at TrumpCo.

No way in hell he's top dog in this shit show, just a gullible fool of hate and piss.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.

Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney's endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 87 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn't anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.

Now I'm hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can't be treated.
Last resort is assassination, not because I'm above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it's because if that happens then it'll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn't fucking deserve that mercy.

Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn't get impeached, he'd just effectively be a more obedient puppet.

Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (5 children)
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Who's gonna do it? Democrats? Ha.

They're too busy fucking over David Hogg to care.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 53 points 2 days ago

If you face torture or deathcamps, It's better to go out shooting.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 112 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.

He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It would have been good if the Obama administration had at least walked back the massive erosion of freedom, civil liberty, and the breaches of international law that happened under Bush.

But it didn't. No one has. Administrations from both parties seem to have kept it as a new status quo.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Obama should have done a lot of things. I'm happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).

Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that's far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it.

And before members of the democratic caucus nerfed it even further.

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[–] Triflingmagoo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Orange man is really leaning into this role of authoritarian dictator, isn’t he?

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 23 points 2 days ago

Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking "nasty" questions.

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (8 children)

We should have Trump dragged through the streets by a Tesla.

Wouldn't you rather use something more reliable? What if it rains?

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[–] CM400@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

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[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Haven't they already been doing this in Guantanamo?

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Yes. A lot of the Trump stuff is building on existing violations of international law that started with Bush II and were continued by each subsequent administration.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 65 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Is there no evil idea these guys don't love?

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

We’re so fucked.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago
[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 24 points 3 days ago

Just what we need to put in the hands of this Orange piece of human shit.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

extraordinary rendition meets enhanced interrogation, I guess.

Sean Hannity still hasn't been waterboarded for charity.

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[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago

Geneva Suggestions

[–] Dillenger69@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd be happy if he got his wish and then magically disappeared and we heard rumors of him being waterboarded for fun. I'd do it myself.

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