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This phone is broken (broken screen) and was given to me, so I figured I'd use it as a WiFi extender, but I guess I can't.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

How would a hot spot work without a sim? Isnt it using the sim 5g to rebroadcast locally?

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Some phones essentially function as wifi repeaters if wifi is connected and mobile hotspot is enabled.

Not all phones can do this.

[–] zymagoras777@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's a bit overkill to use phone as a repeater, isn't it?

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Comes in clutch sometimes. Like when a device doesn't support captive portals (i.e. in a hotel), or your work laptop has trouble with them (as some work VPNs and security software causes problems).

Then you can just log in from your cell phone, and then share that. The phone uses WPA2-Personal, which nearly everything supports.

[–] RedC@sh.itjust.works 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

OP, how old is the phone / what version of android is it running?

Just tested this on my s24u, connected to wifi with no physical SIM and my eSIM turned off I can still turn on mobile Hotspot. Seems weird that you can't especially since iirc Samsung let's you share your wifi connection through Hotspot as well.

Edit: goto settings>connections>mobile Hotspot and tehtering>mobile hotspot> click on the network name field. You'll be taken to a screen to change the name but at the bottom there's an advanced button. Click that and near or at the bottom will be "wifi sharing" turn that on and you can share your wifi connection through hotspot.

[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Samsung used to have their WiFi sharing under the Hotspot setting. Then they changed the layout, and now WiFi sharing is buried deep in menus to make sure (for some terrible reason, I'm sure) it's not found without a web search. They change the exact location of it with every OneUI update also, to further piss me off. They are surely the company that is actively trying hardest to lose customers.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hotspots share your phones mobile data as a local wifi access point. If you don't have a sim, you don't have mobile data, and so, no hotspot.

[–] gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

you can do "wifi sharing" which shares the phones wifi connection.

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not all phones can act as a repetitor. I've had several where wifi gets disconnected when hotspot is activated.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

As far as I know they can all act as a bootleg external wifi adapter though (via USB sharing)

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 15 minutes ago

Agreed, it's the wifi sensor that can't both act as a signal emitter and receiver. (If you know what I mean, I know that it can do both of those things to communicate, but only for a single use case)

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Thats not the same thing, though.

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Well to be fair, on my pixel at least, those are literally the same setting. Which it actually is just depends on if you're currently on WiFi or not. Kinda Google's fault for labelling it like that.

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There's Bluetooth and USB (with Ghirehtet over ADB or external wireless/Ethernet card) that you can use to make a Wi-Fi internet hotspot without mobile data. Also, you could NOT connect to the internet and use LAN-based apps (KDE Connect, network printers) without extra hardware in a pinch, or just broadcast an SSID in a public space for fun.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 19 hours ago

Absolutely yes. So many phones have USB 2.0, so the Wi-Fi speed is often going to be faster than cable.

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Many carriers sell hotspot as a data capped premium feature. They probably want a SIM so you can be monitored and charged for using your own device on your own network and services that you've already paid for. Because greed.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, I'm definitely blocked from turning on my hotspot with AT&T until it can verify that I'm allowed specifically from the cellular network.

This could very well be a carrier lock-in.

[–] scytale@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I really hate how mobile hotspot is considered separate from regular data. It's the same especially if your mobile speeds are are capped anyway. It's like dental not being included in your health insurance as if your teeth aren't part of your body.

[–] kassiopaea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 20 hours ago

But didn't you know that teeth are just luxury bones?

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Both of those are such a scam. Greed has ruined this country.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Whoops. You misspelled 'world'.

Greed has ruined with world

Edit: apparently, so did I lol

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

On that note, I finally tried Comcast's xfinitywifi service this month, and was pleasantly surprised. They run a WiFi hotspot service accessable to Comcast users, but non-Comcast subscribers can also get a la carte access for $10/month. It's not a full drop-in replacement for cellular data


no system of WiFi access points is going to have that degree of coverage


but if you live in an urban area, an awful lot of the place is within range of an access point, and my experience thus far has been that it's considerably faster than running off cellular data.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Do you normally have SIMless service? 🤨

The hotspot function basically just lets you connect other devices to the Internet through the phone's cell service. No service == no hotspot.

Apps may allow you to use it as a range extender tho.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My phone will hotspot when it's connected to WiFi. I can even tether it to a desktop PC and use it as a WiFi adapter.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, technically that's not a "hotspot". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's a Wi-Fi extender.

[–] kernelle@0d.gs 4 points 1 day ago

I'll have to disagree on that one, WiFi extenders extend an existing network, keeping the same network and DHCP is done by the original access point.

A hotspot creates a new network, and DHCP is handled by the hotspot, not the network on the WAN side.

[–] mp3@piefed.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And a poor Wi-Fi extender as well, since you halve your network bandwidth by using an extender with a single radio chip.

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I've only seen that option on phones with two radios, it uses the 2.4GHz radio for one connection and the 5GHz radio for the other

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I am not entirely sure what kind of radio fuckery happens, but my phone (Oneplus 6 with LineageOS) can be connected to a 5 Ghz wifi network and have a 5 GHz hotspot open at the same time.

I am assuming the wifi chip has two (or more) somewhat independent frontends, since my home wifi and the phone hotspot are on two different 5 GHz frequencies.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I find it hard to believe all your other phones could do this as it required dual antennas.

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you just want a local network with DHCP and WPA to do whatever, no uplink is necessary.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Totally useless for 99.999% of users (not even exaggerating). Would be nice to have the option though but would mostly just confuse users with was would appear to most to be a totally useless option.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So is ADB, and Bluetooth tethering, and wired Ethernet, and OTG,...

This can be solved with a warning like "You are not connected to the internet, hotspot will only allow access within local network."

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

And then you get a billion tickets about why you get that message when you tey to tether to your phone for Internet access

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah but he said wifi extender.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Does it have to be a SIM card with service on it? If not, maybe grabbing a random old SIM card would work.

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Random sim card work thankfully

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

I checked XDA but no custom rom for exynos unfortunately

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (6 children)
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