Love how there is clearly a last line cropped out.
:: eye twitches::
this post was submitted on 16 May 2025
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They could have waited longer. That would have been worse.
7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.
At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.
The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.
So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.
This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.
I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.
The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You'll find something better (if you haven't already).
That's deplorable! Did your contract have any early termination penalties?
No, not at all. I don't understand why we even have contracts written if anyone can breach it at will.
Well, fuck them. Your product team and stuff sounds decent though. When they failed to find a local and asks you to come back, remember to demand a 10% raise.
If they signed the offer, is that not a contract? Do they not have a pretty clear breach of contract case here?
Right to work baby! At-will employment means "You can leave any time you want, but we can fire you any time we want."
Yeah, I guess I forgot where I lived for a moment and took for granted my union contract.
In the modern environment I can't help but wonder, since I don't know who this guy is, is he a citizen of the United States. Because PayPal might be towing the Trump party line for all I know. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.
this is why i simply refuse to work for anyone else. period.
i quit society in 2016 and have never looked back.
i quit society
you are lucky that your deserted island has an internet connection 😂
who says you have to live in complete isolation to stop participating? i just do what i want to do, when i want to do it.
who says you have to live in complete isolation to stop participating?
dictionary and common sense.
you have an internet connection. you are paying for it, or someone else on your behalf. you are eating food and probably paying for it too. you have not quit a society.
ok. i quit being a slave. how's that?
Never quit your job over an offer, I always run my time out at my old job.
Last job switch was last day on Friday, new day of first job on Monday.
Ah, a fellow wage slave.
What do you mean "running your time out"? I'm having difficulties understanding how that isn't quitting your job
i think they mean - unless you have signed a proper contract (not just an offer) and there are now consequences for the employer if they let you go for no reason, then you should still stick to your old job
I don't think that's the majority of the companies work. You sign an offer, quit your old job on Friday (at the end of the notice), and sign the new contract the next Monday.
So this is some bullshit going on in America? Where I live the contract is signed ahead of time with a specific start date, so this signing an offer (which sounds like nothing more than a pinky promise) and then a contract on the first day is new knowledge to me.
Shocking to hear as I am Used to have binding consequences for such action in my country - feel u !
never ever assume you got the offer until both parties have signed a contract
That's what I thought "signing the offer" meant?
Contracts can be written on napkins and still be valid... If both parties agreed to the terms, and they signed it, I feel like that's a contract even if the company doesn't want to call it that.
But I'm not a lawyer
i think "offer" is the keyword here. they specifically didn't say "job contract", they just signed an "offer" of some kind, whatever that is. A job contract is a legal document that has a specific definition of what it entails, an "offer" is just an offer
Yeah probably... Scummy as fuck, but not one bit surprising
What is the meaning of "signing an offer" then? Is this not a binding contract?
Just curious. Not American. Don't know if this has anything to do with the US.
Edit: or was this a situation where only OP signed an offer and then quit the old job before having the signature of the other party? Would be very unusual, I normally get contracts pre signed by my new employer that only I need to sign
That's why we need a democratic economy. Distribute the power over the means of production.
That's the whole point of having a contract. You don't quit your old job until you have a signed new contract for the new one. I understand that many Americans don't believe in this basic concept, but it's common in many countries around the world.
Even a contract includes probation period where they can let you go without reason and short notice. Even in a quite worker-friendly country like Germany it is usually 6 month period with 2 weeks notice (both sides).
Absolutely true, but in this case they seem to be trying to wiggle out of even that minimal notice period. A promissory estoppel case would probably, if the plaintiff won, see damages in the form of payment equal to the salary that would have been earned in that minimum notice period.
Unfortunately many employment agreements in the US are "at will" meaning either party can terminate it immediately at will. In states where this is legal (almost all of them), you'd be hard-pressed to find any company willing to do it any other way.
That must be the Land of the free. :D
Right? What is this "Employment Contract" you speak of? I just got told "You start this day, good luck fucker."
And the fun thing of 'fired at will' is that it is enshrined in so-called 'Right to Work' laws. The evil would be hilarious is it wasn't so horrible.
No, you're wrong here. 'Right to Work' laws are about preventing unions from controlling an entire workplace, forcing new employees to join the union. 'At-Will Employment' laws are entirely seperate from that.
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> applies to join an evil company
> is surprised when gets evil done on them
Why do
LinkedIn users write their essays
In this format? Many other platforms
Have the same limitations for character count
Or even lack of rich text formatting
Yet people don't write like this.
Where did this
Culture come from?
Most business people are too stupid to handle paragraphs with more than 2-3 sentences. I'm not joking; I literally have to write emails like this if I want them read.
Yep I have learned to write biz emails in short, pithy sentences, if I want people to actually read and assimilate the info.
I don't think it's stupidity (and nothing against stupid co-workers if they're trying), but they're just so grindset brained into mental exhaustion that they literally zone out in the middle of a paragraph.
I'll catch myself doing it on occasion too. If anything it's worse recently, because I'll have the nagging thought did they actually write this or am I reading two sentences puffed out into half a page by llm…
Side rant here. I'm working on a project for a new application, after a couple months work I finalised the 150ish requirements, however before approval could be given to approach businesses I had to do some internal box ticking.
I organised this technical meeting with the IT guys to run through all the requirements, tick and flick that everything was fine. It was a 3 hour meeting that I had booked 7 weeks in advance to ensure everyone could attend.
3 weeks before the scheduled date a general manager insists on attending and self-invites. The moment the meeting starts the GM immediately says "they don't want to read all these requirements" and "don't you have a presentation?" Followed by "where are the pictures?".
The entire meeting basically derailed there and we only made it through maybe 50% of what we needed to with zero ticking or flicking. That was 3 weeks ago, the project has almost stalled now and I'm still trying to recover the time/progress/momentum I had.
Fucking managers and their demands to be included and flat out refusal to read.
Too long paragraphs, didn't read.
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