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[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

None of you are good leftists. In this post I will tell you why.

  1. Your materialism is not dialectical enough.
  2. you're wrong.
  3. this isn't reddit
  4. you don't understand my personal situation and therefore you cannot fully understand this subject
  5. I got into an argument on reddit about this and was banned so now I'm here and you're not agreeing with me so you must be reddit
  6. You're a fed
  7. your dialectics are far from materialist
  8. read settlers
  9. treat analogy
  10. letting people enjoy things is the moderate wing of fascism
[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Revisionism, Pure Revisionism.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Is this about my comment, or am I being egocentric? In case it is about my comment, I post here some clarifications I made there:

I messed up. I misunderstood Hexbear, wrote a confusing comment, unintentionally offended you, then reacted badly to your angry replies, many of which misrepresented what I wanted to say. Now with hindsight, I ask you to read this:

  1. I did not mean to accuse hexbearites of being bad like New Atheists. I wanted to use the antisocial behavior of New Atheists (fruitless anti-religious intolerance) as an anti-example. In my experience, leftists discern between “theocrat” and “religious comrade". I felt this thread was an outlier. But then I worded my comment in an confusing way, appearing to conflate you with New Atheists.

  2. The accusation of loving war crimes in the Middle East is for foaming lunatic New Atheists like Sam Harris, not Hexbearites.

  3. I meant that anti-religious bashing is easily misrepresented by right wing propaganda. I explicitly said that the “atheist elites” narrative is disinformation. Cubans practice their religions in peace, just not theocracy.

  4. I did not mean all “true” Christians are Catholics or whatever.

I am a newbie and autistic (actual diagnosis). I care a lot for detail and took offense with misrepresentations. And I am still getting up to speed with the LGBT movement.

Today I realized this analogy. When Rede Globo (massive right-wing media corporation) sheds tears for “democracy”, I wish them go pound sand. They supported the military dictatorship for decades, and still distort reality in favor of capitalism, NATO, and Israel. Becoming softer is not enough. I would forgive them if they actually switched sides.

So I can relate to trans people who look at the historical crimes of organized religion (such as the Catholic Church), and who suffer religious hate even today, saying they will only respect the Catholic Church if she actually switches sides. Malcom X said: stop sweet talking!

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

This meme is not about your comment in particular, but it was inspired by the general hullaballoo about religion yesterday. I wasn't really paying attention to who said what, I didn't even read most of the comments, I just saw a gargantuan wall of people getting very passionate about a sore point.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Caring this much about the pope dying for it to become a struggle session is deeply embarrassing for all of us. It's the pope, he isn't that important of a dude, catholics are I guess supposed to do whatever he says but most don't. His suggestions are considered by many, that's about it.

[–] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Devout catholics didn’t care what the pope thought. He says look after refugees, don’t discriminate against other religions and challenge capitalsim. The catholics are just like “deus vult lol” but are often too lazy to go full tradcatch. The whole thing feels more like an identity than any sort of genuine belief system.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The whole thing feels more like an identity than any sort of genuine belief system.

yeah thats why the struggle sessions happen. Because people thought that communism being anti-religion (as it should) means that communists in the global south should go around and burn down churches and shoot priests or something.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, I seriously don't get why this didn't just end after one single "the pope is dead" post, what are we even doing here

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

It's spring and the bears are ansy to get out and tussle.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We aren't literally in 1320

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

Literally 1312

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Seems fairly mild so far, like cats hissing and growl-meowing at each other but not really going into it tooth and tail.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is entirely unrelated and I was thinking of messaging you before this all happened anyway, but I'll take advantage of the moment.

Could you please recommend any writings where Stalin discussed religion? Or do you know if he ever wrote anything that fleshed out his personal thinking on it? I remember you shared some quotations or anecdotes of Stalin on religion with me before, and since you're the resident Stalinist™, I thought you'd be the person to ask.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh off the top of my head he was extremely secular and practically atheistic throughout his public life. The few times he's made any rare religious reference was usually in some form of recorded public address to workers where he either makes a well-known Orthodox religious reference to drive in a point or as a sort of "gods on our side" kind of throwaway phrase.

Now if I really wanted to look deeper for where Stalin had more to say on religion, I'd want to look to the period of the great patriotic war where we see a rapid easement of relations between the Orthodox church and the Soviet state, particularly around '43 when Patriarch Sergius of Moscow worked his ass of trying to figure out how to build enough theological justification to compromise with the government in return for an end to active prosecution. This is also the time when we'd look for any writing in relation to the Islamic population of the Soviet Union as well.

I can say there's some apocryphal writing saying he was still privately a believer and worked to soften the most harshest elements of the militant atheism that was practiced during the 20s, there's even an apocryphal story where Molotov was talking with him about some city plans and how there was a proposal to demolish some really old fucking church and replace it with some Soviet propaganda building, and Stalin just said "nah. Leave it."

I'll try to look into it because it sounds like an interesting little project to dig around into.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cool, thank you so much! That's all really interesting. And, yeah, didn't mean to ask about Stalin's own religious beliefs, if any, but more like his thought or actions generally. It would make sense to me that Stalin had a soft spot for religion though given his studies, but I'm projecting.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And, yeah, didn't mean to ask about Stalin's own religious beliefs, if any, but more like his thought or actions generally.

Hmm not to my knowledge besides various apocryphals. Dude was absurdly busy with running the government on top of his own personal projects, his reading, his job socializing obligations, his drinking and cinema watching, and his family. Only thing I'd say was a real remnant of his religious-priestly education of his youth was his absolute voracious appetite for reading and learning.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's a shame, I would love to read his critique of religion. I'm sure it would be really beautiful and dialectical. Same as I'm sure his beliefs were.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Indeed. Maybe if he had a few more years to decompress and write whatever he liked he mightve decided to write on something other than exclusively economics.

[–] kalabaza@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

The last thing the pope did was excommunicate rock stackers. True story

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Mostly a bunch of trans women yelling about rocks and cats

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is this what a hexbear struggle session is really like? Struck me more as a couple of people making really extreme statements and generally being mocked for it.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nah, this is mostly people just typing tl;dr posts that no one else reads. The actual struggle sessions are far funnier/nastier/cringier.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I read a lot of them, some interesting discussions of theology hidden in there, and some fun mockery of people acting like they think they're the Main Character of Leftism.

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We’ve had really polarizing ones. Some significantly more productive than others. This only spanned a couple threads as far as I can tell

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

I did notice the mods were removing comments and banning people who tried to spread it out further than the few threads it was in. 19 84 but also good work for them keeping on top of this and letting it get too nasty.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

Yeah, maybe I dipped out too early, but that was minor-league struggle sesh.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We kinda hashed out anything interesting and a lot of really weird shit way back so there's very little meat in these gym mats

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Reduced to having struggle sessions made out of shredded newspapers smh

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He just wants to touch grass

outdoor-cat

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

synthesis is taking cats outside for supervised grass touching

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every time we try to do a Supervised Outside Experience for our cat, she gets scared. She'll touch one paw to the grass and then look up at us like kitty-cri-screm "can we go back inside mom?"

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was she always an inside cat?

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yep! Although she was born in a garbage bin, she's spent her whole life since then as an indoor cat.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Mine fights me and the few times she has gotten out she's come back with like 5 dead things. Darby is too fucking hardcore for the world.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maybe a patch of grass inside would help her acclimate to the idea of natural carpeting

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eh, I'm not really too worried about it, it's probably a good thing that she doesn't want to be outside, so she doesn't run away.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

You're probably better off, I know this cat likes it because for example I am taking the first vacation I've ever taken in my life and every time I get near a door to the outside world she's pressing her nose into the edge of the door and trying to grab the handles. I thought she just did this stuff around the times I'd take her out, but no, it's all the times. I've created a monster.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Then he can have synthetic grass garcia-cock-shotty

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago
[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

I think this was the first struggle session I witnessed live, all the others I've missed due to school/work/sleep/etc

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

Oooph yeah big day for the discourse

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago
[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago
[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

I'll never submit myself for criticism, because I've never done anything wrong!