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I can't say I've ever ran into anyone like this. And the Arch wiki is so newbie friendly, I use it all the time and I don't even use Arch.

This whole thread seems to be, primarily, people inventing strawmen and them a comment thread dogpiling them.

We have the "elitist Linux question answerer" and the "average user who is grandmother of 93 years that faints at the sight of terminal text" taking a lot of heat.

Many of stray shots at developers for having the audacity to provide access to the software that they made in their spare time without providing a full UX that compares to IOS.

The "fellow Linux users" who installed Linux 5 years ago, ran into a problem and declared Linux a failed experiment.

The OP isn't even a good meme. It's just ragebait.

The people who post these kind of things are not trying to improve the community. They're concern trolling.

Nobody is "preventing simplification". Anyone is more than welcome to fire up an IDE, clone a project and simplify whatever they feel like. That's how the open source software ecosystem works. If you don't like something then fix it.

You're not a customer, you're a community member. Making demands of other people isn't going to go over well, but it isn't because people are "elitist".

No, seriously.

This mindset of, “If you don’t like to read pages of documentation to figure out how to do the thing you’re wanting to do, then maybe Linux isn’t for you?” Or the “god. How dare you ask such a STUPID question. You’re using Linux wrong and it probably isn’t for you. Go back to baby’s first OS!” Is the biggest gripe I have about using Linux.

I've been hearing about Linux elitists for the last 20 years, and I have yet to meet one. But what I do see is an endless wave of trolling and bad faith arguments about the supposed complexity of Linux.

They treat a wide array of developers, maintainers and enthusiasts as employees of Linux inc, and now they're grumpy because their imaginary ticket submitted to a nonexisting helpdesk is not being processed.

I have recieved much more help and support from the Linux community than from any other proprietary software helpdesk.

There was a long time when a casual user would have been better off on Windows, but I don't think that's true anymore, at least not on every distro.

Just as you can use Windows for years and never need Group Policy or Regedit, you can do Linux just the same without terminal.

This is the area where I feel Linux has come the farthest since I became interested in it.

The problem is that the road between creating a piece of software that does something well, and then creating simplification layers on top of it is typically much longer than just "edit a config file" and "here's a readme".

You need extra documentation, config gating and workflow, warnings, UI/UX work etc.

I know there are Linux elitists but kind of expecting that much extra work for what is still at it's core mostly volunteer software seems like it's own form of elitism.

man this is a good linux meme, its funny and its real criticism of linux. why were all the linux memes shitty for a while there? why are they better now suddenly?

luckily people seem to be becoming better with this.

linux is also becoming better at being user friendly.

Hey, I installed Arch btw with Hyprland and I gotta say, the docs are super newbie-friendly. No problems on my end.

To configure most suckless tools you need to... recompile them. The readme says:

Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it's pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions.

But if you are trying to compile suckless tools, you are already in too deep.

I don’t want things to get simpler to the detriment of the power that Linux has. As long as there’s no regression who cares

The biggest barrier to widespread adoption is the portion of the toxic parts of the general community. You know who they are, you see them all the time. They exist across all distros, and they seem to go out of their way to make the experience as miserable as possible when new users are asking simple questions.

They often are some of the first people new users interact with when needing help transitioning over. They seek out those beginner questions to act superior, and just turn the average user off to the point they decide to never try it again.

Without strong moderation to reduce that dipshit commentary, the Linux community will always be working against mainstream adoption.

But I've never met anyone like this. Do they exist?

Agreed. I wish moderators would ban those people from linux communities and more users would report their elitist behaviour. It's really annoying to ask a question and get belittled for having the audacity of being ignorant.

I understand these people lack power elsewhere in their lives and want to be powerful where they believe themselves to be experts, but it's a real pity they express it with a complete lack of empathy. If you don't want to help, don't say anything. Let somebody who does want to help nicely do the helping.

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