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[–] resin85@lemmy.ca 1 points 32 minutes ago
[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 13 points 9 hours ago

Yeah but THEY didn't have the TECHNOLOGY we do to be able to RAMP UP our DOMESTIC PRODUCTION! So it's a GOOD THING that President Elon Musk and First Lady Donald Trump HAVENT been Cutting US Investing and Production!

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 30 points 23 hours ago (12 children)

Wait. I just realized something. One of the significant reasons humans are such amazing creatures compared to the other species is our generational knowledge we can pass down. But we have a saturation point. We need consciousness information downloading. Not immortality. But a way to download Wikipedia to our brains. That's the next step.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 1 hour ago

The solution to that historically has been urbanization, which allowed people to become specialists in a chosen field. They get to absorb all the knowledge in a specific field of expertise, and then a select few are smart enough to push it further.

Unfortunately we haven't really managed to apply this to politics yet, because those who are specialists in getting elected aren't necessarily specialists in governing either. Nor are they likely good at governing everything, maybe just a specific part. But picking who is suitable enough is not done by specialists but by the general public, which is both democracy's strength and weakness.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. It's so tiring actually navigating Wikipedia. I just want a megacorp to select the best bits and inject them directly into my brain when they see fit!

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

But make sure they take out anything that would negatively affect their company!

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it will work. Some knowledge you just can't acquire without lived experiences.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

Sure. But you don't need lived experiences to have full knowledge of economic histories or previous laws that have failed and should not be brought back. "Lived experiences" is just another bandwidth problem for most.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

They don't care what it does to people, it makes some rich people richer like the alcohol prohibition

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The last tariff I personally remember was the 1983 motorcycle tariff signed by Reagan. The Yamaha Virago was seen as such a threat to Harley-Davidson that they pushed for and got a tariff imposed on imported motorcycles over 700ccs engine displacement. Yamaha's answer was to reduce the engine displacement from 750 to 699cc. The 250cc Virago is still in production today, though they install a straighter handlebar on it and call it a "V-Star 250."

[–] Sprawl@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Targeted tariffs are regularly used for specific reasons. We just don’t normally go all AoE with tariffs.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is what happens when a populace isn't properly educated.

Prepare for this country to be on a downward slope for the rest of our lives. That's the most likely future for us.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

The brain drain can already be seen, most have already moved abroad, or are waiting to.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 38 points 1 day ago

angrily looks at the "verified" badge

[–] Colloidal@programming.dev 61 points 1 day ago (8 children)

If I recall my history right, the 1929 stock market collapse precipitated the Great Depression, and the tariffs were a (misguided) attempt at trying to set the economy straight.

[–] turnip@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

https://saifedean.com/the-fiat-standard-chapter-11

This ones got a good section on the great depression.

"The imposition of trade barriers in turn resulted in a further deterioration of economic conditions in the countries imposing them, even as their own citizens suffered from these very policies. The governments imposing such barriers, and the economists advocating them, would of course never admit that inflation, increasing centralization, and protectionist policies caused the progressively worsening depression. Instead, political leaders blamed other countries and local ethnic minorities. Years of scapegoating and growing hostility toward foreigners and minorities came to a head in 1939. The world's totalitarian fiat regimes began to turn on each other and on their ethnic minorities. Hayek had identified this threat to global peace in his “Monetary Nationalism and International Stability” lectures in 1937."

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago

Dont let facts get in the way of a cheeky social media post.

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[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 211 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Did anyone mention how the 1930 tariffs sparked a wave of retaliatory tariffs by other nations, greatly reducing international trade, pushing a natural resources poor Japan to conclude that in order to survive it needed an empire, so it invaded other countries, committing such atrocities that even Nazi Germany was like "whoa dude, chill", which lead to their participation in WWII, Pearl Harbor and the deployment of nuclear bombs? No?

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 115 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's quite the oversimplification, and I approve.

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Haha yeah, but I could do even better:

Tariffs bad because history

Let me help!

Monke hurt monke

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

There's a lot of oversimplification. But the US embargo on Japan in 1940 led directly to the attack on Pearl Harbor.

The US embargoed all oil to Japan. Japan calculated it had less than 2 years worth of oil before it ran out, so it needed to capture the Dutch East Indies (modern day Indonesia, more or less) because they were a major source of oil. The American puppet state of the Philippines was between Japan and the Dutch East Indies, so they had to deal with that somehow. Their decision was to preemptively attack Pearl Harbor and hope that they could consolidate their gains in the Pacific by the time the US was able to counter-attack.

Japan's actions in WWII weren't directly about tariffs, but they were about spheres of influence, like the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

A lot of Trump's posturing seems to be about bringing back these spheres of influence. The US wants to control North America, taking over Greenland and Canada, and leave Europe to become part of the Russian sphere.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Japan was expanding long before 1930's. Korea, Mongolia, and parts of China were already under Japan long before 1930.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago

Yeah that comment is wildly ignorant of Japan's actions and aspirations pre1930. Fuck Trump and these tariffs, mind you.

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's in general no way this can work long-term. When nations cooperate, they both benefit. If you're the only nation not cooperating with everyone else, then everyone else will surpass you until you're North Korea levels of yesteryear.

[–] 790@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 22 hours ago

My macroecon book, which was written by a guy from the Bush administration, hit us over the head with that concept.

It's strange to thing that he'd be considered a pariah by his party's leadership now.

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Looking at this through the lens of "how can the oligarchs benefit", it makes complete sense - Strip all government assistance, remove social nets, add tariffs that will basically kill most small businesses (think also farms, mom and pop shops, etc). Lead to depression, billionaires swoop in and buy up land/homes/business for pennies on the dollar (or just basically crush small businesses to get them out of the way). One couldn't design a better way to fuck over everyone and enrich the oligarchs

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 1 day ago

Yup, a fire sale for oligarchs.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 138 points 1 day ago (13 children)

The whole plan was to move production back to the US. The thing though is, that you can't make Americans sit and sew Jeans that sell sell for $15 or assemble electronics for $6/hr

Maybe you could 100 years ago, but there is s a reason why we trade across the world and its not because we are kind. It is because it makes companies more money.

This will be mostly messy for the US. The rest of the world now has tarrifs on the US. But US now has tarrifs on the whole world. Any other country can look into expanding in new markets now, but the US has shut all its doors

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago

you can't make Americans sit and sew Jeans

You can with

🌈🦄 ✨ slavery ✨🦄 🌈

[–] swearengen@sopuli.xyz 51 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah we can't make everything.

Not only do most of those low level factory jobs suck we simply don't have the workers, we're at less than 5% unemployment.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (5 children)

we're at less than 5% unemployment

So far

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[–] kingshrubb@lemmy.ml 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There was also the McKinley Tariff of 1890 that is taxed foreign imports at almost 50% and caused increased prices and consumer backlash and lead to Democrats winning Congress in a landslide.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 32 points 1 day ago

Aren't you glad Trump promised you don't have to vote ever again now?

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

But this one is different... ... ... I just can't remember how... but I know they said this one is different, so it must be... right?...

Edit: autocorrect

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[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Thanks for the insight, stacy! By the way, why are you still posting on a nazi platform? Oh for internet points? Cool, cool.

Edit: Damn, there's more nazis on Lemmy than I thought.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Because that's the platform that needs to hear it

Circlejerk preaching to the choir is fun, but doesn't reach the people who need to hear it

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