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Yes.
Trumps tariffs hit Canadian lumber.
This causes fake crisis in lumber prices.
Trump leases land to us lumber companies who now sell lumber.... Remember it's more expensive than what Canadian lumber costs, but Trump handled that with tariffs.... Now us lumber is artificially cheaper than Canadian.
= Trumps rich friends profit while Americans pay more for lumber and lose national parks
Do I think this administration is stupid enough to do something like that? Yes
Do I think this administration would do something even stupider, more corrupt, or evil than your question? Also yes
No you aren’t overreacting. Republicans have been running on some version of this for decades now.
I'm not so sure that the issue is mainly logging. I thought that they're selling them off piecemeal as conclaves for the ultra rich.
The current administration wants to cut for timber, dig for minerals and metals, and in places where this isn't possible or have been completed, build "Freedom Cities" where corporations rule like nation states. Free from regulation and oversite. Their whole plan is tremendously fucked for the common American.
Ah, like the cities in The Parable of the Sower.
As an American I confirm that, as a whole, we're pretty goddamn stupid.
So yeah, I could totally see this happening.
Probably not actual national parks: even the current administration can’t be that depraved, can they?
However there is even more national forest, national monument, and blm land that already may be managed for resource extraction. Odds are, they’ll just open wide
even the current administration can’t be that depraved, can they?
Every time I ask myself that, the answer turns out to be "yes"
Only if it’s for the sake of destruction and cruelty, there’s more wood than we could possibly use on national forest and BLM land. AFAIK they’re only talking about national forests for now.
Yes I do. But I think the logging will mostly take place in the unvisited and ecologically important part of parks while the part of parks intended to receive visitor will remain "pristine" until the whole ecosystem collapses when the wildlife die off.
I live in the Allegheny National Forest area, of Pennsylvania and it's regularly logged. I could even buy a permit to cut my fire wood from the forest if I wanted to. But it's all done in a relatively responsible way. There is no clear cutting, and I could only take a certain amount of trees for personal firewood use. They log for forest management, the same way they have controlled burns.
If you have a local forestry service, or some sort of similar organization, go talk with them. Ask them what the current policies, practices and plans are. Ask them if they anticipate any changes based on the new Republican Administration and plan any actions based on that information.
I'm nervous about new gas wells around here, but Pennsylvania has a process where you have to request a permit and it's only good for one year, and they post the latitude and longitude of all the permit requests they get. So at least I have access to that information.
I suppose I am referencing a national forest and you are referencing a nation park. There are differences there for sure, so this might not be as applicable as I thought.
Are you overreacting? No. Start spiking trees if you want to save them.
As a Canadian looking in, I honestly believe they will. They've already done worse things and gotten away with it.
You mean like genocide, slavery, and being the only country in history to use atomic bombs against another country?
Naming things the current administration hasn’t gotten around to yet?
nah, the slavery never stopped
Aside from nuclear weapons you are describing practically every nation state since ever, especially post Industrial Revolution. To the point that the argument is useless. The US is just as bad as Britain, France, Spain, the Dutch, the history of the Russian empire, Japan, china, the current state of many African counties etc etc!
It’s also worth mentioning how the US is such strong allies with the very country they dropped a bomb on and helped with reconstruction through and beyond the Meiji era and continued to be an ally to Japan…
No one anywhere near this thread is advocating for those thing so what are you getting at other than saying boo! ghosts!? Sooo…
As a Brit I say that it doesn’t make it ok that my country did shit things cause another did, I also look at our current behaviour. We are both still doing bad, shitty things.
USA rebuilt Japan to stop communism.
Nothing makes the past okay. Citing the past nihilistically only makes the future worse.
Your opinion of why the US did something only serves to discredit why they should ever do anything or the net benefit of those actions regardless of intent.
The US could help eradicate AIDS, is that evidence of compassion, soft power, or imperialism?
Point is… why argue against eradicating a plague?
You’ve been a shitty country in the past and you’re a shitty country now. What are you trying to achieve by saying other countries do bad things too?
Simple if you choose to cite rando shit from centuries ago you’re not actually engaging.
It’s called low hanging fruit and apparently it’s the best you got. Take it up with the Dutch? I mean they raped the Congo… are you okay with rape? You never mentioned them in your recount of history.
Fact is the US fucking sucks because of current shit aka republicans. Blanket statements and blandly waving hands towards the past few centuries doesn’t help at all.
I haven’t got a clue what you’re trying to achieve here…other countries did bad things, I know. But we aren’t talking about those countries, so I don’t understand why you’d bring them up.
Nor have I mentioned “the past few centuries”…there’s no need.
Can you enlighten me as to what your objective is?
I am talking about a single country, yet you can’t seem to focus on a single timeframe.
You mention centuries old generalized stuff such that it could be applied to most any nation. Do you not remember this?
You mean like genocide, slavery…
Then you said…
Other countries don’t count. We’re taking about this country…
We’re taking about now. Not the 1800s. So one more time for the backseats…
Saying the US had slavery to make a point is lazy and doesn’t help the here and now. Yea those things happened, they fucking sucked, and they should be condemned on their own merit alone. Using them to end a conversation on current issues is poor form and low hanging fruit. Especially when you generalize such that most every industrialized nation is just as guilty. The fact is that guilt isn’t the end of the story. Ask Germany
Genocide and slavery are happening now.
We are specifically talking about USA. You keep mentioning other countries.
Your comments have nothing to do with post title, nor do they help, as you can’t tell me what your point is…. Night.
Are atomic bombs being dropped now too?
You mean like genocide, slavery, and being the only country in history to use atomic bombs against another country?
That’s referring to current events?
Point is you were writing off a lot of people with a flimsy blanket statement that would only Hold water if it was current and unique. It’s neither hence LOW hanging fruit and not worth it
Interestingly they haven't logged the alaska panhandle and I bet that's the first to go. Best trees in the entire world
Let's be real, has Trump ever been to a national park? Like really been to one and not just popped in for a speech or photo op? Has he ever, in his entire sad life, been on a fucking hike? Been farther than 500 ft from the next nearest human? These places aren't even real in his mind, they're just concepts. It's impossible to really imagine consequences to actions against concepts. He'll absolutely make our parks private property if given the chance. Don't like it? Too bad, go get rich and buy your own national park, nobody's stopping you.
I hope he and Elon live long enough to end up in the bread lines they're going to cause.
He can’t even walk twenty feet onto a golfing green. He drives his cart five feet from the ball and gets out.
I'm sure he has, and thought that they would make nice golf courses.
Yeah, he thinks of everything in terms of real estate value. Like the way he talked about Gaza, as if the people of Gaza are incapable of building stuff themselves if they hadn't been under a blockade for almost a century.
No, there's a different reason why he thinks the people of Gaza are incapable.....
~he's a super racist Nazi scumbag~
We should collectively use necromancy to resurrect Teddy Roosevelt to beat the shit out of the current administration.
Instructions unclear, his corpse now has a hickey.
It’s worse. I seem to remember that the US has lithium deposits in a national park somewhere.
The US isn't doing it, one small group is and nobody's stopping them. Subtle difference, I know.
They were voted in by Americans, and nobody has made any significant moves to impede them. It is not a small group, it is the USA in any sense we normally mean the term when referring to the actions of its government.
Didn't the US vote for this?
31% voted for it.
31% voted for it and 0% stand against it.
69% (nice) of Americans didn't vote against it.
0% have authority to stand against. Roughly 28% or something voted against.
I’ve heard that it’s problematic to log them as there isn’t enough sawmills in the US to cover the given and they are all low on staff + those mills are standardized for those Standard sized trunks and not old-growth forest wood.
That doesn’t mean I doubt it but that’s some hope on the horizon
I think there's going to be incredible pushback, and I hope it's far more than some angry tweets. So far Trump seems to make big moves like this only to reverse or walk back what he said later.
So he could easily just make the suggestion but not take actual action for some time. Or use it as leverage to make other deals (change emmisions rules or the national parks get logged)
He would be wise not to mess with Teddy's parks
I see this sort of response from Americans over and over, and it makes me crazy.
"there’s going to be incredible pushback."
Great! Fantastic! WHEN??!?!
In short, he has proven over and over and OVER AGAIN that he is the single biggest enemy of the USA, and the single biggest threat to their continued existence. He is copying Hitler's playbook from 1933-36 almost to the letter.
And STILL I hear, "oh just you wait - things are gonna happen if he doesn't stop soon!"
What does it take to get you to realize that the USA is being destroyed by a traitor working for Putin? What will it take for your country to FUCKING ACT RIGHT NOW instead of saying "oh, just wait" again?
Why are Trump and Musk and their entire entourage not in chains, awaiting the death penalty on the far end of high treason charges?
What the fuck are you still waiting for?
Thing is, you can’t take back clearcutting an ecological preserve.
Trump and Musk like to talk big and move as fast as possible. The trick will be to ensure that the resource extraction companies can’t take irreversible action as soon as Trump says something stupid, but still have months of paperwork to wade through so there’s time for Trump to be able to change what he originally meant by what he said/signed.
There's so much other federal land that can be logged before going for the tourist attractions. It would just politically look bad if they did. I'd say probably not.
EDIT: You know what, on second thought, I'm still surprised every day what this administration is doing so I could see them doing it just to show they can.
They will sell it to the highest bidder, likely foreign. That is the whole point of the "sovereign wealth fund". Trump and the Uber wealthy see it as an asset to plunder, who cares if Bahrain owns Yellowstone or you have to pay Bezos to fly over the Amazon Canyon? The future is amazing!