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I fled Reddit due to the authoritarian mod craziness, but Lemmy.world seems infested with too much Communist craziness. I'm leftist, but communism is idiocy. Is there an instance that leans more democratic socialist but refrains from going off the deep end?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Lemmy.world is actively opposed to Marxism and Communism (from moderator and admin POV).

As a side-note, all Communists support democracy, "democratic socialism" is usually ill-defined and meaningless, to one person it means the Nordics and to others it means Marxism without revolution, it only really hurts description.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Lol Cowbee is a well known Tankie, .world is anti-tankie, which are authoritarian "communists"

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

.world is the most liberal place on the lemmy lmao. If they are too left for you idk what to tell you

[–] HatchetHaro@pawb.social 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

i'd like to hear your take on "communism is idiocy".

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

OP didn't respond so I will take a shot. My understanding is that under communism, the economy has to be planned by the government. Under capitalism, the price of shoes (for example) is usually determined by the demand for shoes and the amount of shoes that can be manufactured. If demand falls, the price falls. If manufacturing capacity increases, the price falls more, etc. This mechanism has feedback loops that make it efficient. In theory, companies never make more shoes than they can sell, because if they do make too many, they can sell the excess by cutting prices. Under communism there is no free market, so the mechanics of supply and demand don't work. Some communist bureaucrat conducts a study and estimates that the country will need 100k pairs of shoes next quarter. The government then makes those shoes in a state-owned factory. Suppose, though, that it turns out that the country needed more. With no free market, there is no competitor to step in and meet the demand for shoes - now you have a shortage. Similarly, you can have considerable waste if you grow too many apples or whatever. In true communism, there is no price to adjust - you either have an apple voucher or you don't. Thus there is generally more problems meeting demand efficiently. This is, in fact, exactly what we saw under the Soviet Union - the stores were often stuffed with unwanted items while long lines developed for items that were in high demand. Without any consideration of authoritarianism etc., this is an often-cited reason for the failure of communism.

I am not a political theorist or an economist, so please correct me if I am wrong.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

You've got the general critique from Mises right, but that's an extremely outdated critique that has long been debunked. The article Prices in a Planned Economy helps show how prices in a fully publicly owned economy could be planned, including what you are describing as "price signals." The fact is, the USSR's economy did work, and worked rather well, but issues like having to spend a huge portion of GDP on the defense industry just to keep up with the US starved the rest of the economy for growth, and the Soviets planned by hand rather than by computer. Neither of these issues need to be taken by any Socialist state going forward.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

if all humans could plan for the future and wished inherently to make world into better place for others too instead of just themselves communism might work. But as it is, the idea needs some heavy reworking to adjust for human defiencies to be worth even considering. I dont understand how they even came up with something like this and thought its good idea as it is. And naively thought no one would abuse their power or even could manage it all efficiently. Maybe it wasnt idea born out of wanting to make better world but instead just counter reaction to capitalism.

its so annoying, i have this vague idea of something like world without exploitative private property. Like, money would be replaced with actual value of work you have done, you could reasonably use tools and resources without being gatekept by private ownership while still being allowed to have your own things as long as it doesnt cause harm to others. When someone wants more than they can have, its solved instead by working towards improving things for everyone instead of just yourself.

but its just that, a vague idea; mostly fit to taunt me like dangling bottle of water out of reach of someone dying of thirst. And its seeming more and more like wishing one could do magic. It doesnt seem like humans could ever be capable of having a world like that or even want to .

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

I don't really know what your problem with Communism is, nor why you think it requires humans to want to make the world a better place. I recommend reading Marx's actual words on the subject.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

only thing that inherently has worth to me is making world better place. Communism is just a tool, if it doesnt work correctly then it ought to be fixed or abandoned for something else that works better. And evidently it doesnt work correctly considering how china or soviet union turned out to be for those not in power.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 33 minutes ago

Marxism is just a tool, sure, though I think doubling life expectancy, over trippling literacy rates to 99.9%, lowering wealth disparity while increasing GDP dramatically, and democratization of society and the economy prove that Socialism does work. I think you have a very narrow view of the history of AES states and need to do more research, as it seems like you just have the default western viewpoint.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They're almost certainly conflating communism with the authoritarian flavor so enjoyed by the tankies of .ml/hex/grad

[–] HatchetHaro@pawb.social 3 points 2 hours ago

it's either that, or attributing anything related to social welfare to communism or at least a slippery slope to communism.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

“Authoritarian mod craziness”? What communities were you hanging in where this was such a widespread problem?

Also .world is definitely not overwhelmingly communist. You need to start subscribing/blocking just like you probably did on Reddit. There’s no underlying algorithm making decisions for you here. You have full control of what you see. If you don’t like what you see, you can fix it!

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I mean let's not pretend that there aren't a lot of psychotic mods on world. It's gets pretty bad. Hell I got banned from a community for criticizing a New York Post article once. Which I mean shit, how do you not?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I never pretended otherwise. But I gotta tell you the same thing I said in another comment where someone was allegedly banned for basically nothing: I highly doubt that’s the entire story

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You can go look it up if you want it was like I don't know 8 months ago. Literally all it was. That's why it's stuck in my craw. Didn't give two shits about the community, I wasn't a member of it. Just so weird that that Jeff guy banned me for criticizing the New York Post.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

I don’t give two shits about the community. I wasn’t a part of it

That’s another red flag right there 🤷‍♂️

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TBF, I got banned from Reddit after RvW for saying riot police should quit their jobs en masse. Reddit likes to quench any kind of dissent

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[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm surprised you see a ton of that on lemmy.world, always found that instance rather tame and moderate, at least by lemmy standards. Certainly compared to Hexbear, ml and Lemmygrad. Are you sure those weren't federated posts from those instances? Anyway, lemm.ee is pretty neutral, lemmy.dbzer0.com leans more anarchist. But you could also just stay on .world and subscribe to communities that align with your views on whatever instance. Unless you have an issue with the moderation on .world specifically, it doesn't really matter.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone similar to you, blocking and stuff seems the right approach vs. trying to find a specific instance.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bingo. Making a new account somewhere else likely won't help. The only way it would is if all the content OP objects to comes from a single instance and they find another instances that's defederated frrom that source instance.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 23 hours ago

@IMALlama@lemmy.world

@Tedesche@lemmy.world @andyburke@fedia.io

adding my voice to the mix. I have always advocated blocking. My experience with mmo chat taught me that a cesspool can turn into a pretty nice place with some blocking. My basic rule is subscribe to what I like and block what I don't and everything else im indifferent to. don't like sports then block those communities. like comics and subscribe to those. indifferent to animal pictures then let it lie and you will see them when you browse all.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

🤔

lemmy.dbzer0.com is anarchist and stongly hates all states, both USA and the Russia, China types.

lemmy world is neoliberal, I mean, tankies do post there, but the moderation is mostly neoliberal and are anti-violence absolutists, even if its directed towards nazis

lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and hexbear.net (now chapo.chat) are tankies, avoid those

Pretty much everyone else on lemmy are anti-authoritarian and pro- socialist policies, some are social democrats, others are democratic socialists, some are anarchists.

If you don't like tankies:

lemmy.dbzer0.com (we have !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 😉)

sh.itjust.works

lemmy.ca

sopuli.xyz

piracy community is blocked on lemmy.world btw, so you might as well joine us, or any of my recommended ones.

TLDR: lemmy.world is not "communist", just just a few tankies that love to post thinnly veiled authoritarianism.

Edit: Also, you are probably seeing federated posts from lemmy.ml, I block most of those communities except like a few non-political ones like c/privacy

Also Blåhaj. Seems to be pretty anarchist from what I've seen, and I'd say Blåhaj is perfect if you're queer, especially trans.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

lemmy.world

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[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spamming emojis just makes you look ridiculous and like your opinions don't matter

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Replying uselessly to comments you don’t like just to defend a censorship-happy neoliberal hivemind hotbed makes you look like a petty, bored, very gullible person.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'd call .world default liberal instead of neoliberal personally. A lot of demsoc types.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 7 points 20 hours ago

That’s fair. However, I’d say anyone that is just fine with the deaths of >50,000 innocent people because of some tenuous revenge premise fall closer on the politicial spectrum to Reagan or Bush than anyone I’d even consider labelling a “liberal”.

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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's talk about this in a little more detail.

What do you consider going off the deep end? What do you consider leftist? Which ideas do you consider idiocy? What is your idea of a society worth living in?

I personally am open to any ideas that exclude discrimination of identity. For me the tolerance paradoxon applies.

I'm happy to hear your thoughts.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (6 children)

I'm also looking for a place without edgy or crazy people.

For me its:

Democratic: yes

Socialism/social net/sharing/helping: yes

Dictatorial: no

Tankie: no

Undemocratic: no

China or CCCP/URSS worship: no

Soviet whitewashing: no

That's about it.

Edit: I was looking for a community not an instance (I have my own but I still uses .world as I had some trouble, time to migrate back home I guess :-) ) but thanks for all helpful comments!

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Block the Lemmy.ml instance and there goes most of those people.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think thats valid. You don't have to accept or look at everything.

Do you mind sharing what your ideal society looks like? I think a lot of folks share common ideas but have vastly different labels for them.

I'll go ahead:

I personally want to work. It can be fun. I want to do things I'm actually good at. I want to be able to afford food and housing. I want to know that i wont starve if I become sick or disabled. I want to be able to survive when I'm too old to work regularly. I want my family to be safe no matter what.

I think those are pretty understandable goals. I want to live in a world where this applies to as many people as possible.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that's a given I think.

No ultra rich people (but you need to dream, so no communist pay either). UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).

The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don't need to work (that much)? I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don't believe me? Go work in some big companies). How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 10 hours ago

See! I fully agree on the social aspects of your ideals. I would like to give my opinion on your points. Please read them as ideas, not a form of diminishing your thoughts.

Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that's a given I think.

Actually, i dont think we do. We produce a lot more than we need (food for 10 billion people) and a lot of crap that only fuels consumerism. Not saying there is an alternative yet but maybe we can agree on "some people definitely need to work for us to survive and thrive."

No ultra rich people

Fully agree

(but you need to dream, so no communist pay either).

But do we? Or is it just a concept we use to keep the current situation going? Would we not dream if we just had the same?

UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).

100% agree

The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don't need to work (that much)?

would you rather do an easier job that one you have passion and skills for if they were paid the same? I agree that moving trash or working in the sewers should potentially be paid extra. I think currently, education being expensive, doctors are kept scarce. Make it free and watch.

I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don't believe me? Go work in some big companies).

I have. Huge companies are cancer. Nothing more.

How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here

from the bottom up, as always. We vote as left as possible (those who still can). We demand UBI, free education, free public transport, fair taxes, free healthcare, etc. We build communities (currently underway) to subvert oppressive systems with mutual support groups, etc.

Again, this is just my personal opinion so please disagree wildly if you wish. Just try to stay constructive.

many instances, like mine, are 'generic on-ramps'. their 'main' purpose is to provide unfettered access to all other instances.

in this way you curate your own feeds by subscribing to what you want.

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

.world is hardly the home of the tankie, what you see might be posts from lemmy.ml

There are two other places known as lemmygrad and hexbear that are outright communist/tankie that you'll see occasionally brigade when someone posts anything positive about the USA.

This and most others are pretty sane. One that comes to mind for what you're asking particularly might be https://slrpnk.net/signup who seem kind of left but not Stalin left.

Otherwise there's the join Lemmy link at the bottom of any given instance to look through.

[–] iarigby@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

seconding solarpunk, it’s a beautiful movement in general

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