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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] julianh@lemm.ee 50 points 10 months ago (13 children)

The idea of free software is extremely socialist/communist. People working together to create something that anyone can use for free, with profit being a non-existent or at least minor motivator.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's a real shame that generally lefties don't really care about or 'get' software freedom. You should be pushing for free software on all levels. In your personal life and in government. It's crazy how much power a company like Apple, Microsoft or Google has over everyone.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was leftie before I was techie. If you don't know anything around tech and computers you wouldn't know what to do. Even as a fairly tech-adjacent professional it took me quite a while.

Then again, I only became a real leftie again after kicking all the corpos out of my computer.

Tech used to be (and still is) obscured by heavy gatekeeping. We who understand a little more like to joke about those who don't, and I guess we'll have to stop that if we really want to unite the left. Don't ridicule, explain. The person might never have had a chance to learn the concept.

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s pretty hard to fight hegemony when your salary is just built on donations. A lot of important tech is also paid for via government grants then the private sector gets to use it and erect the walled gardens when it should be in the commons.

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[–] snaggen@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, there is also a more right leaning take. You take care of your self and scratch your own itch, and you should not be a liability to the society, but make your self useful and contribute back. And I think this is kind of the reason FLOSS works well, it can be aligned with many philosophies.

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[–] feoh@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Interesting assertion, but is it really?

The Linux kernel is a single software product produced by a single entity and ultimately controlled by a small cadre of highly trusted people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

Anyone can fork it and do what they want, people respect Linus and follow suit because he's good at what he does and knows it best. He holds no power or authority beyond the willful respect and acknowledgement of the people.

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[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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[–] centof@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

Relevant Section under Gift economies:

The expansion of the Internet has witnessed a resurgence of the gift economy, especially in the technology sector. Engineers, scientists, and software developers create open-source software projects. The Linux kernel and the GNU operating system are prototypical examples of the gift economy's prominence in the technology sector and its active role in using permissive free software and copyleft licenses, which allow free reuse of software and knowledge.

Essentially the line of thought is that open source software is an example of mutual aid and the gift economy.

[–] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought it was an autonomous collective.

[–] testman@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Listen, strange penguins biting people is no basis for a system of government.

[–] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Supreme executive power derives from using sudo, not some farcical user account control.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

I mean, if I went 'round saying I was a sysadmin just because some angry Finn lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cory Doctorow has a book, "Walkaway" that is basically exploring the politics of FOSS on a societal scale. It's pretty nerdy obv but I enjoyed it and it doesn't overly glamourize any political system the way you'd typically see in political fiction.

[–] not_amm@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's a book called Opt-Out from Rory Price about a future where humanity starts using AR more and more to the point that it's almost obligatory to have a device of this kind for everything, even as ID. It then talks about a group that develops a free/libre version of this device's OS and they have to decide about personal issues or try to maintain their views. It's entertaining and not too long, but I think it shows a very possible future.

I haven't heard from its author in some time, but I think they discovered they were someone else too ;), that's why I love this book.

[–] Devorlon@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Isn't it a benevolent dictatorship with Linus at the head?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Linus' power doesn't come from Ownership, but respect. Anyone can fork it and do what they want, but because Linus is respected, everyone else follows suit.

Anarchism would function in a similar manner, it wouldn't be a bunch of opinionated people doing whatever they want, but people generally listening to experts who don't actually hold systemic power.

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[–] pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

You can fork it, sure Linus is very respected and his decisions are considered very important but you can fork it and change however you want so it's still compatible with Anarchism.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

Free software doesn't have owners. If someone else did a better job of being the "benevolent dictator" of a fork of Linux, everyone would start using that fork. Arguably this is a more free-market system than non-free software.

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What's the real difference between an "anarchist communist" and a "communist"? The first one can have "personal property" while the second cant? So... an anarchist communist can own a car but not a house? According to the internet "personal property" is everything that can be moved (not real estate) and isn't considered for production of something...

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 22 points 10 months ago

A big part of the confusion comes from the fact that different people will use these terms differently.

In a capitalist framework, there's private property and public property. Either an individual (or or specific group) own something, anything, or it's owned by the government.

In a socialist framework, private property is distinguished from personal property. Personal property is your stuff that you use for yourself. Your coat, your car, your TV, etc. Private property is the means of production, or capital—things that increase a worker's ability to do useful work. Think factories or companies, where ownership in and of itself, regardless of labor, would make the owner money. Socialists think that kind of private property shouldn't exist, because it means wealthy people can just own stuff for a living, profiting off of the people who do the work.

Housing can go either way. Owning a home for yourself and your family would be far closer to personal property, while owning an apartment building to collect rent would be far closer to private property.

Socialism, for the most part and historically, is an umbrella term describing social rather than private ownership. That would include anarchism, which largely synonymous with "libertarian socialism." Lenin, on the other hand, used it to more specifically refer to an intermediate stage between capitalism in communism, so you might see people using that more narrow definition to exclude anarchists, democratic socialists, etc.

[–] AaronMaria@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I've never heard anyone argue against personal property. Usually the difference is that Anarchists want to skip the workers' state, while other Communists think it's a necessity to achieve Communism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A few things draw significant differences.

Anarchism is fundamentally a firm rejection of unjust hierarchy, including the state, via building up of bottom-up structures using networks of Mutual Aid or other strategies (like Syndicalism).

Communism is fundamentally about advancing beyond Capitalism into Socialism and eventually Communism. It's fundamentally Marxist, unlike most forms of Anarchism (which don't necessarily reject Marx, but also don't accept everything Marx wrote). Communists are generally perfectly fine with using the state in order to eventually achieve a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society, as each becomes unnecessary and whithers away.

In essence, Anarchism rejects that a state is necessary at all, and seeks to directly replace current systems with the end-goal of an Anarchist structure, whereas Communists tend to agree more with gradual change, rapidly building up the productive forces, and achieving a global, international Communism.

Anarcho-Communism seeks to combine these into directly implementing full Communism without going through Socialism first.

All of this is from a generally Leftist perspective, without leaning into any given tendency, as I believe the most critical battles now are building up a sizable leftist coalition. Everyone should focus on organizing, unionizing, reading, learning, sympathizing, empathizing, and improving themselves and those around them.

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

sudo apt install anarchism is a real command in Debian.

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[–] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

And I think Lemmy is also an example of ancom due to the fediverse and the self-hosting aspect 🤔

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago

I mean...yeah

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Idk, technically voluntary association is a key tenet of volunteerism/anarcho-capitalism, so if we're just using volunteering as the basis we might as well say it's volunteerism. I think anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are a bit more nuanced than "sharing."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Anarcho-Capitalism isn't a thing, it's just Libertarian Capitalists LARPing with Leftist aesthetics. The very rejection of individual ownership rejects Capitalism, it's like saying Worker Co-operatives are an example of Capitalism because markets tend to not care what makes them up.

Just because FOSS would be "allowed" in Capitalism doesn't mean it's an example of Capitalist principles.

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[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Anarcho-capitalism is a contradictory term that is mostly used to imagine neofeudalism.

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[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And the FOSS system seems to be collapsing right now for the same reason that anarcho-communism only works short-term until someone sees commercial value in it and abuses the system to the limit.

  • Big corporations initially providing exceptional services based on FOSS and after a while use their market share to excert undue control about the system (see e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, Chrome, Android, ...)
  • Big corporations taking FLOSS, rebranding it and hiding it below their frontend, so that nobody can interact with or directly use the FLOSS part (e.g. iOS, any car manufacturer, ...)
  • Big and small companies just using GPL (or similar) software and not sharing their modifications when asked (e.g. basically any embedded systems, many Android manufacturers, RedHat, ...)
  • Big corporations using infrastructure FOSS without giving anything back (e.g. OpenSSL, which before Heartbleed was developed and maintained by a single guy with barely enough funding to stay alive, while it was used by millions of projects with a combined user base of billions of users)

The old embrace-extend-extinguish playbook is everywhere.

And so it's no surprise that many well-known FOSS developers are advocating for some kind of post-FOSS system that forces commercial users to pay for their usage of the software.

Considering how borderline impossible it is for some software developer to successfully sue a company to comply with GPL, I can't really see such a post-FOSS system work well.

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