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Summary

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.

Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.

Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.

She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.

Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.

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[–] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago

You really don't seem to though

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 9 hours ago

Madam President 🖤

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 79 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

AOC, you personally might hate Nazis, but your country voted them into the White House, the congress, and the Senate. I wish you the best to fight the scum, like real Americans did 80 years ago.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 4 hours ago

The ones who don't aren't our countrymen and I look forward to the day enough of us recognize it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but when my grandfather did it he had an M1

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago

My grandfather was in the Navy on the pacific theater. Japanese fascists, German fascists, Italian fascists, all died the same way.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

Damn straight. Every US WW II rolled in their grave twice when the sack of shit "Leon Hitler" went on stage. AOC, find a way to fix the Democratic party.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

In This Country, We Hate Nazis

Lol! No they don't.

The US has always loved fascism. It's the only one of two political ideologies it endorses.

[–] mcdutchie@r.nf 22 points 13 hours ago

Nazism is almost an American export, even. See, for example, How the Nazis were inspired by Jim Crow.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 22 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

We love nazis so much we saved half of them after WW2 and brought them back home.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

...and the other half was left in Germany to fill up West Germany's intelligence services.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

and all the remainders that survive mysteriously ended up in Argentina.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

Latin America was essentially a retirement resort for fascist war criminals after WW2.

It turns out that the dictators who was friendly to US corporate interests was also raging Nazi sympathizers. It must be a complete coincidence though and totally not related at all.

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[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

And the other is passive fascist enablers.

[–] StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world 63 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

National identity is imaginary, powerful and useful. What she's choosing to claim with hers is badass. It's brash, in-your-face, heroic. Anti-apathy. And our world needs tonnes more of it.

As an activist irl, and someone targeted daily by nazis for years, AOC has no illusions about the current state of fash in the USofA, nor the history and current state of slavery and genocide in the world. Nazis (and other misogynists) will tell you she's ignorant and deluded, but you know she's not. She's manifesting, and the irony is lovely.

If you want to live in the country she does - against all the opposition activists for the common good constantly face - claim it as she claims it. Go find your allies irl and stop letting powerful men tell you there's no point trying anything. Your enemy says you're not a real person, but a thing God put on earth for them to use or destroy.

Tough love: Hope is hard work. Apathy is an easy trap that flatters your intelligence while it kills your spirit. Trust yourself and make a choice: who is your enemy and how are you going to treat them?

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Extremely well said.

[–] Anahkiasen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 12 hours ago

Thank you, this comment section has some of this cynisim already. Yes she's saying very eviden things but the other side is winning precisely by creating a culture of fear and overwhelming toxicity and locking you in echo chambers that eat at you by making you think their normal is The normal. It's not lying than to project what you want into the world until enough people are in on it and pressure bad elements into hiding or into changing path.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I heard an interview with the sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson, and he said something that I love: "pessimism is almost a dereliction of duty."

If we want the world to be a better place, we have to make it a better place.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Fuck, dude. Maybe I have become too cynical. I've become a little dejected these last few days/weeks/months, but that was actually inspiring.

I should follow your username's advice more lol.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 14 hours ago

Most based AOC, I wonder if the hate-thirsting over her will begin again now that she's becoming such a needed voice in these trying times.

Only asking because the memes about Ben Shapiro wnating her feet pics were funny as hell.

But seriously, can it actually not? I low-key hated all the "Let's just tell dumb blonde jokes with AOC instead of the dumb blonde." memes, cause it's like.. when we call Trump dumb, we can point to shit he actually did (like turn every American into a woman because he's too transphobic to know how to read), we aren't just saying it to say it.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 77 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

We used to kill Nazis.

Now we cheer them, shrug them off, or make excuses for them.

This nation is pathetic.

I wonder how many conservative's ancestors fought the Nazis and now they're voting for Nazis.

Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you've been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Kill Nazis. Kill Nazi CEOs twice.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 22 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Assuming you're American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you'll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I'm starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.

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[–] BadJojo@communick.news 89 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

Do we though? Do we really, truly, hate Nazis? The evidence so far is not that conclusive.

I hate Nazis, but I don't think the country as a whole hates Nazis.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 115 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

Behold the one prominent US politician with any principles.

And for that she will never be allowed near any real power...

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 55 points 20 hours ago

It's one of the reasons reactionaries hate her so much.

And also that she's a woman of color who didn't stay "in her place."

And it's so annoying to hear liberals parrot the same shit because the conglomerates who own liberal media don't want to change the status quo.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

a gesture (..) resembling a Nazi salute

Fuck off with that shitlib overcautiousness, HuffPo! The only way it could have been any more obviously a Nazi salute would have been if he had screamed "sieg heil!" while doing it!

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[–] Mpeach45@lemmy.world 139 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

It didn’t resemble a Nazi salute. It was a Nazi salute.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 43 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yup. Twice in a row. Exactly as the Nazis did it.

Stand to attention facing the crowd. Hand to chest, then full extension. Turn around to face the Fuhrer, or if he isn't there, the Nazi flag. Then stand to attention and sieg heil again.

He did it. It's not debatable. Don't engage in debate with bad actors attempting to rewrite this history. The richest man in the world, who will act in an official capacity in the White House, is openly a Nazi. Because you are a Nazi if you perform a Nazi salute.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 49 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah all these media sources keep saying things like "a day after Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis."

It's blatantly obvious that they're afraid of getting sued. Kind of like instead of saying someone lied, they'll soften it up to say they made a statement that some fact checkers may disagree with.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 251 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

If she's the only one in office that's willing to say anything about this, we're in a lot more trouble than we thought.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 89 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (6 children)

Oh, it’s even worse: Dem leadership is actively suppressing her ascendancy.

Fixed

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Democratic leadership is gonna fuck everything up. We need a new branch of the party similar to what the tea party did for Republicans. They may not be relevant today, but I believe they permanently changed the Republican Party (for the worse in my liberal opinion).

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they’re still trying to litigate which progressive group to blame, instead of looking in the mirror and saying “holy fuck we really screwed the pooch, didn’t we?”

The “adults in the room” sleepwalked us into a fascist sweep of the elections, and they don’t seem to see anything fucking wrong with that. The Democratic Party no longer deserves to be a party after this. This will go down as one of the most catastrophic own-goals in the history of the republic, if not the absolute worst. Yes, I am fully aware of the civil war, and the antebellum political context, and my statement stands.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

They lost to the worst candidate possible two times. This one was legit too. It’s frustrating that Kamala Harris picked a fantastic VP nominee, then sidelined him so she could share a stage with Dick Cheney. That’s why she lost.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It genuinely beggars belief. Walz had his head on SO FUCKING STRAIGHT. If they’d have used his points instead of the idiot fucking consultant brain trust, I think they would have absolutely cleaned up and won in a landslide. But noooooooo tHe cONsULtaNtS KnoW wHaT ThEY’rE dOinG LeT’S giVe tHEm MOre mONeY ANd gET LiZ cHENeY iN HerE.

Fucking christ. I’m torn between laughing hysterically and just sobbing uncontrollably. It was so fucking winnable, and the adults in the room just absolutely, thoroughly shit the bed. They have no fucking clue what they’re doing, but they’re STILL convinced they do. Biden is apparently convinced he could have won it if he stayed in, the fucking tool. Schumer just texted me for more money as if he wasn’t a huge part of what fucking got us here in the first fucking place. Harris kow-tow’d to the DNC establishment. Pelosi… don’t get me fucking started. And they’re all fucking pointing fingers at each other and refusing to take a single fucking shred of blame. I’d say they should be fucking outlawed from engaging in politics as a hyperbolic expression of outrage, but Trump is probably going to try to do that anyways, in addition to whatever other political persecution he can convince the DoJ up… AND NONE OF THEM SEEM TO FUCKING GET THAT LAST PART. Their lives are potentially going to be on the line and they’re still convinced they’re playing fucking poker or some shit.

But anyways. How was your day?

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 47 points 18 hours ago

I want to live in the country she thinks she's living in...

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 69 points 20 hours ago

I love AOC but I sure hope she has a really good security team. Most of us hate Nazis, but a whole lot of Republicans are actually Nazis and they hate and despise her.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 26 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (6 children)

Fucking preach.

I really hope AOC considers a 2028 run for President.

Edit: please fuck off about the uncertainty of 2028 elections, I'm excruciatingly aware, your reminders are not helpful.

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[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 10 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

I'd kind of be willing to wager that we actually hated nazis mostly because they were foreign, more than anything else. I think all that ww2 valorizing history schlock about me and the good old boys from ken-tucky and all over going out and killing all the nazis has totally cooked america's understanding of that war. I dunno, towards the end we did nuke a country, twice, in a totally superfluous and cruel act, and we also concentrated the domestic immigrant population that we were bombing during that war into camps. Everyone brushes over that part, though, and america is truly faultless. These aren't our true characters, being revealed, no, this is just some errant deviation from a much more civilized and reasonable norm! Surely, that must be the case.

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