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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 3 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

Honest question, what are the incentives for instance operators to play nice, so to speak? And not just recreate new oligarch safe havens?

It seems like each instance is a miniature zone of centralization and it's still incumbent on individuals to create their own circles of influence. For better or worse that's how we get hivemind echo chambers and I'm not sure it's even in human nature to seek anything else.

Alternatively we have to rescue our friends and families when they start to fall for BS and educate them aggressively on improving the sourcing of their information.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 29 minutes ago

Federation provides some answers. While it is entirely possible to defederate everyone you as an admin disagree with or don't want to promote, most commonly instances pick the option to not defederate all at will, as the majority of people actually prefers to be connected for the most part.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

I just wish we had a bit more political balance here... I'm not talking about fascists, but more people that don't blame everything on capitalism would be kind of nice...

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 8 points 1 hour ago

Not trying to get into a whole ugly thing, just curious what your pro-capitalism stance is. Because I would definitely fall into this big Lemmy category of seeing 90-905% of modern problems being rooted in capitalism. So I would (civilly!) disagree, no doubt. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a reasonable discussion!

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

That's gonna be kind of an issue in a network where civil discourse and disagreement falls between calling people a Nazi/fascist at best and wishing them double death by murder rape at worst

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

I haven't read the full article due to sign up paywall, but...

First, millions of small business owners and influencers who make a living on TikTok were left to beg their followers in TikTok’s last moments to follow them elsewhere in hopes of being able to continue their businesses on other corporate social media platforms. This had the effect of fracturing and destroying people’s audiences overnight, with one act of government.

How is decentralised social media going to help with this if the entire point of decentralisation is the opposite?

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 26 minutes ago

On decentralized media (Mastodon at the very least), you can move your account and your subscribers to any other instance whenever you want. You move with your audience, and they'll barely notice any change, using the same app to keep following the same person automatically.

[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 1 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

How do we protect ourselves from propagandists and censors? Large, small, popular and individual.

[–] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

You do your research :)

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago

Preaching to the choir!

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm not so sure. Depends if there's a solution to the bots. Bluesky is inundated with them already.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 27 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

It might be the only path forward.

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[–] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I dont want to deal with people gore spamming every single Matrix channel again.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don’t understand this sentence. The two words I don’t know in this context are “gore” and “matrix”

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 minutes ago

Gore is probably gross medical pictures. Matrix is a chat room program.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Guillotines are another option.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

More will just spawn and take their place.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

More heads require more guillotines.

[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Can we not design guillotines that cut multiple heads at once, thus reducing the head to guillotine ratio?

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[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 56 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

My own “we need” list, from a dork who stood up a web server nearly 25 years ago to host weeb crap for friends on IRC:

We need a baseline security architecture recipe people can follow, to cover the huge gap in needs between “I’m running one thing for the general public and I hope it doesn’t get hacked” and “I’m running a hundred things in different VMs and containers and I don’t want to lose everything when just one of them gets hacked.”

(I’m slowly building something like this for mspencer.net but it’s difficult. I’ll happily share what I learn for others to copy, since I have no proprietary interest in it, but I kinda suck at this and someone else succeeding first is far more likely)

We need innovative ways to represent the various ideas, contributions, debates, informative replies, and everything else we share, beyond just free form text with an image. Private communities get drowned in spam and “brain resource exhaustion attacks” without it. Decompose the task of moderation into pieces that can be divided up and audited, where right now they’re all very top down.

Distributed identity management (original 90s PGP web of trust type stuff) can allow moderating users without mass-judging entire instances or network services. Users have keys and sign stuff, and those cryptographic signatures can be used to prove “you said you would honor rule X, but you broke that rule here, as attested to by these signing users.” So people or communities that care about rule X know to maybe not trust that user to follow that rule.

[–] knobpolisher@feddit.nl 2 points 3 hours ago

honestly, i'll donate money to whomever can design this and make it scalable.

[–] helopigs@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think the key is building a social information system based on connections we have in real life. Key exchange parties, etc

It's the only way to introduce a prohibitively high cost to centralized broadcast and reduce the power of these mega-entities

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Could you clarify? A sneaker net? Peer to peer?

I think the good news is, regardless of what gets done, people are hungry for real connections and the old internet.

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