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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 hour ago

Except in crisis, a society benefits when everyone does nothing renegade.

The problem is we're in crisis, largely due to a lack of information about the scope and breadth of that crisis.

It's how we're conditioned to behave by society from birth. Break the rules and you get punished.

Lmao i love this planet.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 3 hours ago

Right... Except this is true for all online communities. People talk a lot of shit and complain a lot. Cope with it or log off.

Or blame it on the left, lol, whatever makes you happy.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

It's easy to convince people to do wrong if you convince them there is no right to be done.

That's why Tankies are so hard to tell us both sides bad.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 27 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

A lot of online leftists aren't doing anything because they don't know how to do something (or are scared, e.g. of losing their job or of getting brutalized by the police). If you aren't doing anything in The Real World(TM) there are only so many things left to do, and the internet is genuinely terrible about people who make mistakes or change their opinion.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 38 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the old enemy of the left: the left.

[–] Metostopholes@midwest.social 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

You leftists sure are a contentious people.

[–] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You've just made an enemy for life!

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago

You've just made an enemy for ~~life~~ left!

ftfy

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 52 points 12 hours ago

The differences of opinion are still there in irl leftist spaces but it alters how it feels when you’re actively doing something. Online you only see the differences in opinion but the real leftists aren’t just arguing details online (though they do that too) they’re running food banks and organizing housing cooperatives and coming out en masse when someone is being evicted. They’re putting together food packages and sending books to inmates. They’re hiking out into the desert to leave water for migrants and waiting by the train tracks to toss food up to travelers.

Bickering about details online might seem ridiculous to someone who isn’t involved but for the actually active leftists that part is only a sliver of their leftism and it’s not necessarily a bad thing— it’s very hard to imagine the world organized other than it is and one way we can be prepared to make the right decisions together when gaps appear is to discuss everything from every angle. I’m not going to pretend all the stuff online is in good faith and I suspect a good percentage of keyboard warriors who are not actually involved in leftward movement, but I do think in the context of real activism the bickering makes more sense.

[–] DrCake@lemmy.world 93 points 14 hours ago (13 children)

I swear you could introduce UBI and someone somewhere would complain about it not being left enough.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 11 points 8 hours ago

I mean it depends on the context of how UBI is going to get paid for. If it is funded by a wealth tax then I am on board. But that's not how the powerful proponents of UBI say it should be funded. Andrew Yang would have us take it out of Social Security to pay for it but you don't hear him say we should uncap Social Security contributions.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 47 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Someone somewhere would because UBI is the capitalist techbro idea of a social safety net; it's a band-aid that doesn't address the underlying problems in a similar way to how the ACA helps but in reality is a very center-right idea that doesn't address the underlying hypercapitalist healthcare system.

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 58 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well there yah go, we didn’t even need to introduce it and it’s already not left enough.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 10 hours ago

It never was.

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