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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 293 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Had a ex-friend who went real hard last year about feeling his masculinity has been challenged. Went deep into the manosphere language. He was extra annoying. Every convo was about how he, a white man in America, was being repressed. He started labelling random shit as masculine/feminine. Got sick this and stopped inviting him.

A few months later, I learned the divorce was finalized and he's been sending me invites to hang with him in his bachelor pad. Nah dog you suck now.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 176 points 5 days ago (5 children)

yeah and i bet that shit was the reason for the divorce. i got a friend who lost her husband down the right wing rabbithole and now she's processing the grief of losing someone she loved to something so goddamn stupid

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 84 points 5 days ago (5 children)

This could have been me. For the longest time I was watching right wing YT channels without really realizing it because they were hiding their messaging well under legitimate critique of the movies and shows I was no longer enjoying. My girlfriend and I got into multiple arguments over this and I could tell that this was something we'd never agree on, which makes sense of course. Eventually I managed to pull myself out by unsubscribing from these channels ocne the messaging became a lot more clear (around 2021, you can probably guess why) and since then things have been much better between us and in general.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have found the subtle messaging in tutorials for software. They're good at hiding it.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yeah it's honestly insane how much of it there is. Even channels that appear to be completely innocent at first can suddenly start veering in this direction. I remember watching someone like CinnamonToastKen when I was younger and it always used to be very generic fun for everyone content. But the last few years I started catching on to him saying more and more right leaning, conspiracy theory type stuff.

He made comments about the US (where he no longer even lives) keeps giving money to Ukraine instead of fixing their own problems, the "stolen election" and of course about Trump winning again. I really don't understand why you have to make statements like that, you (on average) alienate about half of your audience by saying stuff like that. But oh well, a quick unsub and moving on.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago

It’s also very likely the divorce was the reason for the behavior. Getting lost in the sauce of that nonsense is a tragic but not unreasonable reaction to the trauma of divorce, or just being hurt by a woman. That ideology and the people who make money from it prey on weak, lost men for a reason. Thats what its designed to do.

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 56 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He started labelling random shit as masculine/feminine.

FYI: This is totally normal in France.

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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

had ex-friend

B-b-but ToLeRaNcE!!!

Similar situation here (there is more than one situation, ofc), but wifey's along for the ride too, and not in a trad wife way (they're late 60s in age). Left them out of the pals' xmas dinner because it's become unbearable for everyone else.

It's no fun losing decades-long relationships over whatever "this" is that's happening.

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[–] JigglypuffSeenFromAbove@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Zuck: "we never let gender play a role in our hiring process."

Also Zuck: "yeah, we need to hire more men."

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's the old "Male is normal, Female is special" logical fallacy, he only wants to hire people who'd get hired under "Normal" circumstances

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 153 points 5 days ago (20 children)

He’s right about one thing: There is a serious lack of actual masculinity among our leaders.

Most public figures who try to present some form of “masculinity” are just desperate and petty, willing to sacrifice nothing to earn their status, and eager to degrade others to look better by comparison.

A real man produces more than he needs, but takes only that much and ensures the rest goes to those who are less able to sustain themselves. They protect the defenseless, elevate those who are ignored, and invest in a future they won’t personally live to enjoy.

Show me a real man among you. It’s not femininity keeping you from finding one. It’s your own greed and hubris.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 76 points 5 days ago (4 children)

When I was in the military, the best Marines weren't the ones who could lift the most or run the fastest (though sometimes they did), they were the ones who stayed up late writing up their junior Marines for awards, the ones who skipped their own lunch to teach their squad or platoon how to perform better, and just generally the ones who went out of their own way to improve everyone else's well-being around them, and all the while keeping their mouth shut up how much they were doing for everyone else.

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago

Real men are also able to access their emotions, express their needs(both emotional and physical), develop and share empathy, and nurture deep relationships within their community.

Though i would argue none of what either of us said has to do with gender.

Relentlessly locking your own humanity away behind a strong man facade built on shame is one of the biggest reason these fuckers become so hateful and make "manliness" seem like such a putrid prospect.

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[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 181 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I feel like tech and finance bros turn to the right because bad guys who think they're good get tired of being told by educated people that they are objectively bad guys. And instead of changing, they end up seeking spaces that will reward them for being bad guys and will allow them to ignore or disparage those offering valid criticism.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 81 points 5 days ago (2 children)

In a culture that exacerbates hierarchy, exonerates ego, and exalts control, true humility is too painful to even consider.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I cannot think of a bigger cuck move than bending over to court bad faith actors and suckling at king maga's sweaty little man nipples for $$

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I hate everything about this comment, but you're not wrong.

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[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 117 points 5 days ago (6 children)

When I think of masculine energy I sure as hell don't think of Marky Z.

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[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 28 points 4 days ago

I think what most companies actually need is more QA energy 😅

[–] KnowledgeableNip@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 days ago (28 children)

He knows he'll never make up the loss of subscribers on the left since he's burned those bridges so he has to double down on the far right to carry his platform.

This way he gets to compete with X for a race to the bottom and see who can gather the most shitbags to support their plateauing businesses.

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[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 73 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like the thought of masculine and feminine energies wafting around like medieval miasmas.

This guy is smart.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Up next: the return of the humoral theory of medicine!

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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 83 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He doesn't even give off "human" energy.

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 77 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The fact that a load of billionaires are now embracing the far right to protect their arses sure seems like a familiar theme.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It’s crazy that they could lose 90% of everything and still have more than 99.999% of the population of the planet, yet they keep fighting to make sure they have more and more and even more.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I assume by more masculine energy, Zuckerberg means:

  • More posturing by Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson and Donald Trump, the US exemplars of manhood.
  • Trolls, more trolls, trolls trolling trolls. People fucking with anyone else that makes them uncomfortable.
  • People boasting about how rich they are, how fast their car goes, and how many women they bed. Comparisons. Leaderboards.
  • Doxing. So much doxing.
  • So much AI porn. So much futa AI porn.
  • So much misogyny. All the misogygy. Al Misogyny. Misogyny leaderboards.
  • Tons of hate speech against the targets of the week. Immigrants, trans folk, Jews Arab Muslims, libs (not liberals, neoliberals or left-wingers, libs )

Essentially Zuck wants Facebook to become 4chan/b... or 4chan/pol, only where everybody knows your name.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Probably. As opposed to what masculine used to mean and should mean:

  • Taking responsibility for your actions

  • Taking leadership if you see nobody else is going to

  • Treating others with respect

Of course, in modern times, we've realized this has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity and rather with one's role in society. If you want to be respectable, these are just some of the things you should be doing.

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[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago

Every time I think Zuck is as pathetic as someone can be, he finds a new depth to sink to. Truly an innovator

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago

maybe you should start with humanoid energy you fucking lizardbot

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 75 points 5 days ago (3 children)

How to alienate your daughter:

[–] db2@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago

Narcissists don't care about things like that unless it boosts their ego.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I hate this, because the idea comes from Hermetic spirituality, but from a very cherry picked version of it that basically says "Be as shitty a person as you want, give into your natural inclinations and vices"

I know because I've seen this A LOT!

Because the actual Seventh Principle of Hermeticism does not say to do this, it actually says to balance the masculine and feminine within yourself to acknowledge both as being geniunely within you. It also encourages that the two shouldn't be seen as opposites but rather two endpoints on a vast spectrum, the same way we see hot and cold.

But sadly too many "Gurus" somehow warped this into

"Reject femininity, see it as weakness, and be a massive chauvinistic asshole."

When that couldn't be further from what it's saying.

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[–] dx1@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is dystopia. The people in control of society pushing insane spiritualist cult mentalities to obfuscate their role in a genocidal empire.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 50 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What a fucking joke, he wouldn't know masculine energy if it roughly penetrated him from behind whilst lovingly whispering in his ear what a good boy he was.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I don’t think so, but don’t let that stop you from shooting your shot if your believe you can make him a happy man.

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[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It fits his whole revamp with the judo and working out and human haircut. I assume in the near future he'll go on Rogan and then end up launching a podcast of his own.

[–] Dotcom@lemmy.ml 41 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He was on Joe Rogan a week or two ago

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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago

Maybe, but he's damn sure cucked. Dude 100% has a chair in the corner of his bedroom facing the bed.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Most companies just need more ppl that actually work rather than doing politics and profiting off of the 30% working personnel.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 31 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Fuck yeah, here's hoping she's like MacKenzie Scott ( bezos' ex) and takes half his money and donates it all away.

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