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he is the worst regular in all of the treks I have seen (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT)

his whole thing is representing White american baby boomer dudes

boring as shit

doesn't belong in space

Torres can do so much better.

I don't believe this shit about being such a hot shot pilot.

I think he was sent by the CIA.

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[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 24 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Garrett Wang (Harry Kim) and Robert Duncan McNeill (Tom Paris) did a podcast called The Delta Flyers where they do a full episode-by-episode rewatch of Voyager and often rant about the many problems of the show (and about the bits they enjoyed, as well). Didn't get through it all, but it was decent travel listening.

Both of them are pretty often annoyed about how their characters (and most of the others) were stuck on a writing treadmill to obey that absurd syndication demand of an eternal moment, such that new viewers can drop in without feeling like they've missed anything.

[–] Murple_27@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago

Both of them are pretty often annoyed about how their characters (and most of the others) were stuck on a writing treadmill to obey that absurd syndication demand of an eternal moment, such that new viewers can drop in without feeling like they’ve missed anything.

If there's anything about the modern streaming media format that's a genuine improvement over previous TV network programming, it's this. Writers are no longer forced to maintain a permanent "status quo" for a show, because anybody who wants to can always go back & rewatch old episodes, or just start at the beginning & catch up with the rest of the audience.

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 hours ago

of course he was sent by the CIA, they had perfect blackmail on him (getting a classmate killed)

he even changed his name for this mission

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I watched like a good part of Voyager last year and while it's not like the show has no decent episodes, it's absurd just how little happens to the character and how little development goes into them. For them having traveled through the delta quadrant for seven years, most of the characters feel completely unchanged from the pilot on. Nonsense show.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And Kim’s still an Ensign by the end despite saving the whole crew from the Hirogen. Smh

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 13 points 10 hours ago

Imagine working on that show and literally getting nothing to work with for seven years.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 24 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

order-of-lenin

I'm going through Voyager for the first time and I've been thinking all of this.

Paris isn't even subtly or subjectively boomer. He's clearly intentionally written to be a guy in the 1950s. They could have written him with one boomer trait to be cute, but they had to have him be obsessed with classic cars, b&w (and sexist) scifi, man caves, being a playboy, etc. Every episode that centers around Paris ends up being the worst in the series.

Torres can do so much better.

I felt this hard. She was one of the best characters of the series, and her falling for Paris sucked. It's also just not believably written in the show. Just one day they were secretly in love?

I've always hated how Star Trek does relationships between the regulars. The Worf and Troi, Worf and Dax relationships sucked.

don't believe this shit about being such a hot shot pilot.

Has real Top Gun vibes

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago

Very first thing he did in the series was teach Kim to be racist against Ferengi

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 26 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

This video sums it up for me.

Every voyager character that wasn't Seven of Nine of The Doctor were never given the chance to become full characters and they hated it. The writing for voyager was absolute dogshit for the actors and most of them will tell ya, that dogshit writing made Tom Paris a superbeing. Robert Duncan MacNeil doesn't deserve NY bla.e here for.the record. From what I can tell he fully agrees with this and did at the time and made it known as far as he could while keeping his job. Actors don't like playing a boring guy who can do everything either. Forgive all people who made Voyagwe that arent Rick Berman and Bramnan Braga who gets away with too much. Dude was dating Jeri Ryan when he was the show runner.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Tom Paris engaging in boomer activities on the holodeck was when the character was at his worse

Tom Paris doing crimes and going rogue (you know the whole point of his character in the pilot episode) was when the character came to life, too bad they only gave Tom's criminality two episodes over 7 seasons before dropping that aspect of his personality completely

[–] glans@hexbear.net 16 points 17 hours ago

but then the cia got him

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 23 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Paris can't be the worst, Neelix exists

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 26 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Neelix was annoying because his used car salesman with-a-heart-of-gold personality was completely wasted on the Starfleet crew

The whole point of his character in the first season was to act as a guide thru an unknown region, instead of becoming a boring cook, he should've become the Quark of Voyager, an opportunistic trader and part-time ambassador who would secure the goods but habitually set the b-plot into motion cause he got in over his head trying to acquire 6 months worth of fuel (and a sizable cut for himself) by selling one of the holodecks without the captains' knowledge

[–] glans@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

well they BOTH want Kes, the child. So no points awarded either way.

neelix is corny or whatever but he doesn't represent the eternal supremacy of White Men over space. which paris does.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 14 points 17 hours ago

After Kes leaves/ascends Neelix starts hanging around Naomi Wildman he's the eternal groomer

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[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 13 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 19 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Janeway didn't go far enough she should have killed Neelix too after killing Tuvix

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Tuvok would have deemed it only logical if beaming Tuvix into the heart of a neutron star also meant ridding the ship of Neelix.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As another famous Vulcan once said, "It is logical that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 18 hours ago (21 children)

i love how in lower decks they have an alternate universe where tuvix was an admiral or something

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[–] burgermeister@lemm.ee 21 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

He's a nepo baby, his dad's an admiral or some shit

[–] glans@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago

oh shit i forget to mention he has basic as fuck DADDY ISSUES

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Named after a city in Fr*nce 🤮

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 15 hours ago

Never know, he could be named after Paris, Texas

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