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[–] Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Just shoot at the fire, dummy!

[–] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Not opposed to sending cops to fight the fires. Only with their guns though.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 6 points 23 hours ago

The cops can arrest the fire for arson. That should sort the problem out.

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago

They can just use prison slaves to fight fires, silly

[–] InternetLefty@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Is this like an emergent phenomenon of our decaying imperialist system? The coffers used for services rendered by the bourgeois state for the maintenance and defense of capital (fire departments put out factories, warehouses, railyards, etc too!) are drained by the LAPD to the point of greatly diminished capability, somewhat in contradiction with the desires of the bourgeois status quo. So are they like a new gangster class? Is this like climate warlordism?

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Even if the imperial government tried to put in more money towards maintaining infrastructure, the actual physical ability to fix it all doesn't exist (chronic lack of trained labor and good equipment, not to mention the organisational structures and institutional knowledge has been degraded).

The backlog for changes that need to be made is also huge. You might as well try to fight a forest fire with a bucket (that has a hole in the bottom). And I am being literal here, since someone posted a news article about how the fire fighters literally ran out of water.

Basically, you can't budget your way out of societal and ecological collapse. So if you are a bourgeois mayor, might as well just save your own hide (physically and politically) by ramping up police spending. Get the gangsters your political power is based on some new treats and toys.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

Yes cops in America are a warrior caste and you cannot understand this country without realizing the warlordism and gangsterism that forms the actual structure of violent state enforcement

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I suspect that people are always the biggest danger to capitalism, more than fires or other natural disasters. So I get that as it decays you need to pay off cops more, both to take care of normal, petty criminals resulting from more poverty and such, but also to shut down any more upstarts, whether it's organized leftists or lone Luigis. The violent arm of the state is the main thing standing between the rich and the people taking all their stuff back.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Eh I think it should be pointed out that most of these fires happen in out-lying areas. Either mildly wealthy people (but generally not super-wealthy bourgeoisie who often have their own private firefighting contracts and have 6 homes anyways) or working class tend to live in those places. It's mostly homes and low-value structures that are destroyed, cheap infrastructure that can be pretty easily replaced type of stuff like equipment sheds and which is usually insured or else stuff owned by petite bourgeois small business types who the bourgeoisie themselves have no problem screwing over in this way.

Most valuable warehouses, factories, railyards, means of production, etc tend to be either in denser areas that don't see fires like this more than singe the edges or else they're on their own plots of well cleared land that fire struggles to get near and do damage to because it's hundreds, a thousand yards from the edge of their clearing to the low flammability materials used in commercial construction such as steel, concrete, stone, etc. And they are as mentioned also insured and it presents the bourgeoisie with the delectable choice of taking the insurance money and not rebuilding, pocketing it or choosing to rebuild and being covered for it.

Mostly it just functions to fuck over a bunch of working class people, takes all their possessions so they have to buy new ones if they're insured (consoom is good) and punishes those not paying the insurance money with a total loss of everything and plunge into economic desperation which of course benefits the bourgeoisie.

This is we must recall a situation where they've decided it's profitable for the world as a whole to burn and get more dangerous and expensive to operate in because of climate change which they're not only not doing anything about but with AI actively advocating reversing the limited progress made and going full hog double down on it. So occasional losses are a part of doing business already in their calculations.

Remember it's also class interests not interests of individual bourgeoisie. Individual bourgeoisie can be fucked over by the interests of their class as a whole. So much of the wealth and interests these days are with the financial bourgeoisie who aren't really impacted by small events like a loss of one factory most of the time (of course industrial bourgeoisie has pretty firm grip on the levers of foreign policy in the US but they're simply greedy and have class interests opposed to services that also help the poor as well and if it comes down to it they might even favor public failures of public services so they can push the idea of privatized ones).

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cutting funding to the fire department in a location where wildfires are commonplace. 4D chess right there.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago

It's okay all the ammunition the police are getting they can shoot the fire think-about-it

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the-pigs "Sure, everything you owned is reduced to ash...but at least we stopped poor people from taking it! So how about some appreciation, hmm?"

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The police chief did infact say they had arrested three looters already and warned criminals not to try to steal [from the soon to be destroyed houses]

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

does the fire know that burning down houses is illegal?

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Maybe we can shoot the fire

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

2028 olympics are going to take place in a crater

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not before the 2026 world cup does!

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago
[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Palisades is the new Pompeii

[–] GenXen@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Whaaa!? According to 'Home or the Progressives'©®™ star Ana Kasparian, California went all in on a soft on crime approach.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Maybe they should shoot the fire out? Or stomp it out with their big boy repurposed Iraq oppression vehicle? Have they tried jailing and removing the fire's bond?

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

We had two not great choices for mayor last election. I love democracy.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

I support funding for bass