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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 69 points 2 days ago

Also known as... rendering.

[–] RussianEngineer@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago (3 children)

DLSS CANNOT RENDER IN BLENDER

DLSS CANNOT RENDER MY UNITY EDITOR VIEWPORT

DLSS CANNOT ACCELERATE MY DRAWING IN SUBSTANCE PAINTER

DLSS CANNOT RENDER MY CAD VIEWPORT

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR GAMER AI NONSENSE SOME OF US ACTUALLY NEED THAT "BRUTE FORCE RENDERING" FOR SCIENTIFIC OR ENGINEERING OR ARTISTIC APPLICATIONS!!!! FUCK!!!!

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Approximations (AI sludge) of approximations (rasterization + lighting) of approximations (computer geometry) lmao

Actually bourgeois mindset, the further abstracted you can become away from real work the better

Wtf is going on? Are capitalists just that far past paying programmers to write fast algorithms instead of copy-and-pasting stock Unreal-Unity render pipelines or have we actually hit some kind of technological limit of scene complexity that they are trying to resolve?

No one wants to do geometry anymore smh

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago

have we actually hit some kind of technological limit of scene complexity that they are trying to resolve?

For gaming purposes, we haven't. Games keep increasing their level of polygons and rays and overall computational demand, but we have long ago hit the point at which additional geometry makes games look better to human eyes.

The aesthetics of any modern game will depend 99.9% on the skill of the art team and their ability to cooperate with the game devs.

[–] RussianEngineer@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

prototyping a rocket engine in solidworks with dlss making all the measurements between stuff wiggle around everytime i pan the viewport around

But Cyberpunk 2077!

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net -3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Weird thing to be mad about.

[–] RussianEngineer@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i will not stop being mad about the "AI"-powered slop enhancer^tm^ that nvidia keeps trying to push harder and harder onto everything, using it as an excuse to gimp real GPU preformance when its literally useless to everyone but gamers leaving those of us who use 3d acceleration for non-gaming tasks with sub-par hardware

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

most gamers also can't even afford these cards, and plenty of people don't like how DLSS/upscaling shit is making games look these days.

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are many legitimate reasons to be mad about reliance on temporal anti-aliasing and DLSS. Even without leaving the realm of video games. They are being made worse because of it.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

not really, useful and cool technology becoming prohibitively expensive partly due to bazinga AI bullshit with niche use cases being tacked on is quite annoying. while there may be real performance arguments, a lot of people don't like how DLSS/upscaling shit makes modern games look, so it's arguable whether it's even an upgrade. and ultimately it's a niche use case for rich gamers that's being touted as the crux of the whole product.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 days ago

Brute force is when you make a component made for calculations, calculate

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

'but acerola', you say, 'isn't all rendering on the GPU brute force?'

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago
[–] RussianEngineer@hexbear.net 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

did nvidia hire western journalists into their marketing department or somthing

they probably did the thing journalists reporting on chatgpt do, where they use ai (in this case the new gpu's capabilities for ai) to make the article and then say "ChatGPT/the new gpu wrote that"

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

All western journos either are directly owned by capital, or are for sale to the highest bidder.

[–] makotech222@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i'm overall pretty disappointed by the 5090 announcement. Just more AI shit blurring up the screen to fake high fps. Some games its okay in and acceptable, but it also fundamentally ruins some games without extensive modifications or just outright disabling DLSS

[–] RION@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What games does DLSS fundamentally ruin? The only issues I've had with it are in games using older implementations (ex. poor denoising in Control) which is about to be fixed for all RTX cards

[–] makotech222@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

Dead space remake is really fucked up with dlss, super blurry and also has a bug with texture rendering when dlss is on. If you use dlsstweaks, you can force it to use dlaa which fixes most of it, though.

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

anyone who would even consider buying one of these cards is too damn rich for their own good. like what games would you even play on these? if you thought about buying one of these, how about giving me some of that mindless spending money instead, i'll spend it on other useless shit like shelter and food

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have such a mid tier, $130ish graphics card and it's fucking fine for everything I play. When (rarely) FPS is low, I play on low settings and I couldn't care less. I enjoy the game, not the number of polygons.

I sometimes hate watch the YouTube videos for $1000+ video cards.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I said that until I upgraded and tried my first ray traced game (Control). I was flabbergasted.
I still remember playing games on dos, so I feel like I've gone through all the significant game visual* quality milestones, and for me, this is one of them.
That doesn't mean it should be in every game or that it makes one automatically good.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

I have a desktop with a 1050TI and 2015 intel CPU. In all my time with it I haven't run into any trouble running games on a 720p screen. Only times where the PC is struggled a bit was stupid shit like emulating Demon's Souls or running AAA games through wine.

Personal Computer hardware peaked in 2018.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago

Jensen Huang must have laughed himself to sleep when they came up with this marketing angle.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

We're gonna get like analog photography nerds for GPUs and gaming. And worst of all; they will be correct

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

I want each frame to be tenderly assembled, spooned for a bit, and given a sack lunch before being sent to my monitor.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

DLSS: I'm in!

Enhance

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

I can kinda see their point, as in every 2nd and 3rd frame will be an estimate from DLSS instead of actually pushing the vertexes through the render pipeline. But the use of brute force definitely does something funny painting their major selling point as brutish to sell a minor feature.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

But at what cost?