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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Had to put on pants to go outside due to artificially created laws.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I dunno I kind of hate sitting where someone else's sweaty ass has sat on first. I'll let this one slide.

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[–] _____@lemm.ee 128 points 5 days ago (4 children)

NDT the goat of saying rly dumb shit but everyone thinks it's somehow enlightening. he's like Jaden smith but Twitter likes him

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 85 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I mean I agree with him here. It's ridiculous how we are still this tribalistic species while basically everyone would be better off when we would work together (e.g. climate change would be non-existent)

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Passports weren't a general concept until the end of the 19th century. Before they were mostly to allow passage to certain areas inside one country, rather than for movement between countries. There have been Identifications for Nobels and Diplomats though.

Anyways the whole concept is mostly a concept of modern nation states not of ancient tribalism.

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I think the point is that the tribalism led to the creation of the nations/states in the first place. I don't know enough to know if that's true, but that was my interpretation of their comment.

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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but... did you know, if you kiss a mirror you will always kiss yourself on the lips. How's that?

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[–] Hoimo@ani.social 87 points 5 days ago (4 children)
[–] el_doso@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago

We live in a patchwork of societies, I think is the thing

[–] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago

Bottom text

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago (9 children)

I don't care if you hate him; he's right on this. this entire thing is bullshit.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 61 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Wait til you learn that the reason you hate immigrants and immigration is that the wealthy conditioned you to hate them. Notice how capital can cross borders, but people can't? This allows the wealthy to profit off of international arbitrage, while regular citizens can't. A CEO can move a factory to a low cost country to save on labor, but you in a wealthy country can't move there to save on cost of living. And the citizens in a poor country can't move to a wealthy country to earn better wages. The corporations get to take advantage of international arbitrage, but you don't.

[–] sean@lemmy.wtf 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Corporations are people except when they're conveniently not!

[–] Juice@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago

This is clearly a completely natural phenomenon, like the weather !

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (20 children)

I love all the posts calling him arrogant and elitist for pointing out something, in a critical manner, that by their nature are arrogant and elitist: nation state borders.

Those things that make people who've done nothing feel entitled to more resources than other people by virtue of where their mother was hanging out when she popped them out.

I think dwelling on their artifical, self-serving nature is healthier than taking them seriously in any other sense than the threat of state violence for failing to pretend that they're sacred.

Humanity, not to be confused with your own individual greed or birth lottery results, would be far better off abolishing them. They bring nothing to the table but dehumanization, death, and inequity. Most, even most who consider themselves to be on the privileged side of the imaginary line in the dirt, have far more in common with the people trying to get to the privileged side than the miniscule populations of sociopath humans that use them to secure and metastasize their ego score hoards, the entire point of them.

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[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think it actually is interesting if you're going to call out humans as a species of animal!

All across species from unicellular to megafauna, from plants to fungus, you can find mechanisms used to defend an individual's physical territory. Ants and bees from the same species will fight and kill others colony members of they stray into their territory. Bears will fight and kill other bears. Our closest relatives, chimps, will go to war with neighboring chimp bands.

Artificial borders are humans way of saying "this is my territory enter at your own risk". The REALLY interesting thing is that we have established systematic exceptions to the behaviors we see in nature. "Ask us before you come and you can visit and be safe here from those that enforce our territory."

The temporary nature is unique, many social animals will permanently adopt an outsider into their group on occasion, equivalent to immigration, but I'm not aware of any that have pre-agreed temporary violations of group territory.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I guess you can draw that comparison, but then human territories are exponentially bigger than anything an equivalent social animal might claim as "enter at your risk" area. A traveling pack of dogs can just go around another pack's territory. We can't do that, we're boxed in. There's no neutral space left. I guess you could argue there's international waters, but that's practically inaccessible to most people.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 44 points 5 days ago (9 children)

This dude really is a pompous ass sometimes.

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Agreed he can be pompous but I think since he's an astronomer he is making the point that if you were in space and looked at earth you would wonder why are there borders

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 43 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Because it turns out sociology, anthropology and politics also exist.

If you were in space and looked at Earth you wouldn't see any people.

EDIT: Crap, someone is going to point out that you can see lights at night, aren't they? This thread is for pedants and now I've started a conversation about biomarkers you can see from orbit.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm going to point out that you edited without editing.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Only plebs wait in line. I put my request in an envelope, a government servant picks it up at my door and takes it to more government servants who do all the work before hand delivering it back.

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[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is a call for world federalism. I support it, but it's probably ahead of our time. A democratic world federation (a truly united nations [of earth] perhaps) would be able to more effectively solve many (global) problems.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or it's a return to how things were before nationalism rotted the brains of basically everyone on Earth

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[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's crazy to think that the level of border control we have today would be unfathomable to someone even 100 years ago. If we go a bit earlier, how could you even ID someone without photographs?

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People could tell which village you came from just by your accent, strangers would easily stand out

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 3 days ago

Sure, but go to a city and you're just another import. Go to another country, and you're just "the foreigner". Through almost all of human history, you could just kinda leave your past behind if you just ran away

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Black science man always talks like he's done weed for the first time and is trying to impress his nephew's friends.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I think about this a few times a year and I become sad each time. We only get this one planet in the whole ass universe. And we can barely see all of it, unless we're lucky and/or rich (at least moreso than most of humankind).

It's profoundly ridiculous.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I was flying to south East Asia, looking at the digital map of the plane. From above, you can kinda see the country lines.

What made me feel that incredible sadness is that within a 1000 mile radius, a child born might live in a world where they struggle with starvation and have worms in their stomach, or wake up each day with anime and toys. Some countries have so much wealth and resources. Where others barely have anything. I think about all of that as I fly to my vacation destination, having been incredibly lucky to have been born in a pretty wealthy country.

One could argue that you can be poor/abused anywhere. But there's a clear difference in quality of life here.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

One could argue that you can be poor/abused anywhere. But there's a clear difference in quality of life here.

Very true. You've captured my exact sentiment here.

And also, the very fact that you can be poor even in rich countries is an even greater failure of the system. Nobody in a "rich" country should be impoverished. There are plenty of resources there to take care of everyone as long as we all work together. But the system rewards only those who work for themselves.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Hell, no one in the world would need to work more than 10hr a week if it was our goal and we just decided to equitably and efficiently share resources.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes borders are bullshit, but he really doesn't have to come across all high and mighty about it

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 43 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm not convinced that he knows how to come across in any other way

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[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hits the joint "borders man"

This is not interesting.

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[–] uzay@infosec.pub 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

PSA: If all you have to do is wait in line, you're privileged af

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[–] Saithe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago

He somehow managed to make border abolition sound uncool. Many people don’t agree with it for many reasons, none of which were it being uncool until this tweet

[–] Txmyx@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Join Schengen! It's easy, unless Austria abuses it's Veto rights

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 days ago

β€œ β€˜Private property is the smallest unit of warfare’ - The Environmental Rescue Team Handbook”

β€” Annalee Newitz, The Terraformers (2023), chapter 15

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Maybe it's because I know autistic people, but NDT's obtuse starry-eyed splaining never triggered me as much as it seems to others.

He's an astrological trapped on a planet. What do you expect

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As if humans weren’t fiercely tribalistic forever. Other species beat each other to death, too.

The post may be right, but getting a bunch of homo sapiens from far away not to club each other to death is, historically, a hard problem, and countries and passports are kinda a stepping stone.

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