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[โ€“] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee -5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I love it when the folks attempting to talk down to everyone else don't know how history worked or how all those lines get drawn on the map.

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[โ€“] stupidcasey@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Hmmmmm, would this be a bad time to say Native Americans be like?

[โ€“] Krudler@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

The cruel reality is that humans kill and steal from each other in competition for resources and security. Doesn't matter if it's a bullet to the head or a dishonored agreemen. Land belongs to nobody, and whoever shows up and beats the fuck out of whoever's there now "owns" it. It is very hard for people to look at several hundred K of years of human history and realize it's always been this way and never will change.

[โ€“] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Try it and let us know how it works for you. Be sure to say it to their face in real life. 150 years is like 4 generations, that was after a sequence of attempted genocides, and then there was another two generations of trying to whitify them (fun fact, football has lots of rules because Yale attendees were soft racist little bitches who need participation trophies even 100 years ago). So yeah, let's see what happens.

[โ€“] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.

(Exodus 20:5, NKJV)

[โ€“] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

you disgust me

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[โ€“] johsny@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (7 children)

So all white people in america and africa should fuck off back to europe?

[โ€“] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I suspect the real solution is somewhere between that and corporate land acknowledgements.

[โ€“] johsny@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

As I said elsewehere, we should all get over this shit and move on.

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[โ€“] karashta@lemm.ee 120 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You forgot the part where the komodo dragon's "promised land" was full of Phoenician Canaanites they had to genocide first.

[โ€“] saltesc@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The same Canaanites from Noah's son because after everyone was killed by a flood, God deemed Canaan's blood the good people worth saving?

He sure seemed to fuck it up and have to wipe out humans quite a few times. But that's what you get for putting a tree in Eden for no other reason but to introduce sin to the innocent and trick humans into thinking Lucifer was the evil one.

And now he loves America. Just don't tell the Italians.

Starting to see a pattern of bad outcomes for whoever makes a deal with this guy at the time...

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[โ€“] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Imagine Mongolia just started invading China and be like "MY ANCESTORS USED TO LIVE HERE"

[โ€“] wieson@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago

There's literally a province called Inner Mongolia where the Mongols not just used to live but live to this day.

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[โ€“] spirinolas@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The irony would be even greater if they were kicking out birds who they accused of displacing the ancient Dinosaurs.

[โ€“] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

In my world understanding colonialism was never good, but anything after ww2 is just invalid. There needs to be some cut off date where we say "at this point everyone knew and we had international laws against genocide" after which it just becomes invalid and any land claimed afterwards is not recognized or supported.

Israel was definitely too late to the colonial party and kinda should be considered illegitimate.

[โ€“] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 days ago

i disagree with your logic but you got to the right conclusion so cheers ๐Ÿ˜†

[โ€“] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

A little convenient that the cutoff date is after Europeans divided the world for themselves.

[โ€“] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

It's also a function of how far back are we willing to go? Are we going to split and merge countries? Or is it more important to get representative governments in place for the people that live there?

[โ€“] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Saw an excellent video from some Al Jazeera offshoot yesterday. The guy was explaining the concept that Europeans actually tended to put in minority populations in charge that were sympathetic to their interests - Alawites in Syria, the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan, European Zionists in Palestine - and that the borders were essentially designed for colonial administration instead of representing existing groups.

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