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The 2024 US presidential election had been widely characterized as one of the most consequential political contests in recent US history. Although turnout was high for a presidential election – almost matching the levels of 2020 – it is estimated that close to 90 million Americans, roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

More than a month on from polling day, eligible US voters from across the country as well as other parts of the world got in touch with the Guardian to share why they did not vote.

Scores of people said they had not turned out as they felt their vote would not matter because of the electoral college system, since they lived in a safely blue or red state. This included a number of people who nonetheless had voted in the 2020 and 2016 elections.

While various previous Democratic voters said they had abstained this time due to the Harris campaign’s stance on Israel or for other policy reasons, a number of people in this camp said they would have voted for the vice-president had they lived in a swing state.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 119 points 1 week ago (5 children)

“The Dems are out of touch on social issues, and have tacked too far to the left to appease a minority of progressives.”

Asshole.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago

And ignorant - they fell for the conservative talking points too

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

And us progressives feel ignored by the Dems. Wild

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

For those who aren't aware already, "a minority of progressives" means "queer people," specifically trans people.

This asshole is saying the Dems went too far in trying to make things more equal.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

U guys need mandatory voting like what we got here in aus. And by mandatory it doesnt mean u have to pick someone (its ur right to spoil ur ballot) it simply means u have to attend a polling booth.

Voting is a duty not a right

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We need laws that make it illegal to spread election misinformation. We can't function as a society with this level of manipulation and outright falsities. Nobody knows what is up or down anymore and this is just the start of what AI and propaganda news media are gonna make possible in the very near future.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Who decides what is misinformation? The government who is in power and has a vested interest in maintaining power?

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Internationally recognized 3rd party committee with elected members and strict regulations on conflicts of interests would be one option.

Or just stick with the current dumpster fire that could not possibly get any worse. (Well i suppose it could, and will)

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Is even easier than that. They will mail the ballot to your house months in advance and you can study everything especially all local initiatives and then mail it back at your leisure and people still don't do that. It's madness.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (47 children)

I didn’t find Harris compelling, just more of the same.

Well you're sure not going to get more of the same now. Good job, shithead.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

the problem is, we still gotta beat Trump.

I dont think anyone knows if actual leftist messages will actually work, but holy shit it's gotta be better than diet, no caffeine, low sodium fun size Bill Clinton Zero.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“What is the point [of voting]?,” he asked. “Aside from a handful of weaponized issues, the parties are nearly identical. They both hate the poor and serve only their donors.”

We can yell at them that the handful of issues should matter enough, or we could actually try to get a popular candidate past the party itself and I to the general.

But shit isn't going to change until we all admit the DNC isn't automatically on our side. I'm more hopeful than I should be for the DNC election in February, but I'm ready to be disappointed.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I really wish we had a unified left because there are enough of us to make a serious push to take over the party, but we're too interested in bickering amongst ourselves

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

to make a serious push to take over the party

No theres not. This is the effect of the lemmy echo chamber. America is A LOT more conservative than ppl here like to admit. The actual left of the Democratic party are ppl like Bernie and AOC and they're definitely not celebrated inside the DNC

too interested in bickering amongst ourselves

That's because three Democratic party is a coalition of liberals and conservatives

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"What a circus" say eligible voters who didn't vote in the 2024 election:

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[–] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One guy said this “VP Harris failed to demonstrate she was ethically or intellectually capable of executing the office, repeatedly failing to detail out her policies..." It's infuriating that people continue to believe Harris never detailed her policies despite the fact that all she talked about was policy. All they had to do was pay attention to her and she would talk about her policies, it seems like they just didn't want to even pay attention to her. Or that because she didn't detail alllll of her policies then that wasn't enough. Add on that this person calls her intellectually incapable of talking about her policies, basically calling her stupid and it's just exhausting.

This whole article continues to make me believe in the fundamental problem with Democrat voters which so many people have shown. The democrats have to run the perfect candidate with the perfect policies or the charisma of Obama who promise the world, while the Republicans can run a guy who says immigrants are eating cats and dogs and because the Democratic candidate wasn't perfect, the Republicans win.

And then when the Democrats do promise signficant change and it doesn't immediately happen, Democrat voters punish them for it, they lose the midterms, and any change that was in the process of happening gets stopped dead. But when Republicans promise the world and don't deliver, Republican voters reward them for simply promising it.

"Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line."

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Institutional vs anti institutional. Dems are institutional and the institution sucks. Trump is a sledgehammer. He promised alot of sledgehammering. Not good, but that's irrelevant. The Dems need to stop protecting the broken system of neo liberal economics that fucking Regan invented and chasing the phantom center right vote.

Aka. swing left or die.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What if we make not voting an official vote and, if it wins, all the parties have to try again with new candidates?

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

All I got from this is that Democrats, progressives, and Americans are fucking absolutely stupid regardless of education level.

[–] 4grams@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I feel like this last election was an awakening for me of exactly how stupid, selfish and ignorant this country is on average. This country is just dumb as shit and proud of it.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why are you lumping progressives in with them?

Trump won 2 presidencies because democrats actively work against progressive agendas which would actually benefit regular people.

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I blame my peers who didn't vote just as much as my peers who voted for Trump for what is to come.

I'm done giving a shit. We had a chance to stop this, and we sat on our ass.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol this was a 1:1 repeat of 2016.

I voted and sat back as the Dems threw away their election by willingly ignoring their constituents in exchange for AIPAC money.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

the only conclusion is this is the model for both parties into the foreseeable future.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 20 points 1 week ago

I live in a blue state but that doesn't mean I'd be justified in believing that I should sit it out. Even if that insane logic about not needing to was valid, there's other shit on the ballot. And even if my vote for or abstaining against an uncontested incumbent is irrelevant, there's still ballot measures that need to be understood.

[–] DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The large number of eligible non-voters is primarily a result of those individual’s responses to propaganda. This did not happen by accident. I don’t blame the person that got conned, I blame those running the con job.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Not according to the article. Lots of voters in solid red or blue states didn't see a point, and who am I to argue. Thanks to gerrymandering, this is often true even for local races. Why vote for a party that supports genocide when your vote is nothing but virtue signaling for a party bereft of virtue?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I’d be the one to argue ….. I mean, fine if you really don’t see the point, but the reasoning on half of these people in the article is flawed. Either they were speaking out of ignorance or using excuses for poor citizenship, but when their reason contradicts reality, they should be argued

And even if you’re in a solid red or blue state (like I am), your vote counts. Maybe it won’t change the results but they do pay attention. At the very least we could always say the Democratic candidate would win the popular vote. Not this time.

If there’s ever going to be a chance at reforming the electoral college system, t starts by having the popular vote be consistently different from the electoral vote. From this election, there’s no reason for reform, because both had the same result

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

Local elections matter a lot. If the government shits its pants and nominates total morons who literally have no idea how to perform their job, it falls to state elections and officials to pick up the slack. And if your state elects fucking idiots, your last line of defense are your city officials. And you better pray they are damn good at their job.

You only want the best state officials, and the best only get elected if people vote. Out of 8,000,000 people in our state, 54 decided an election for a massive role during nov 2024. Four of those were from family, so a difference of about a block or three changed the outcome for millions of people. And we are deep blue. 50 votes away from a red candidate.

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 15 points 1 week ago

In the USA, How you vote is private. If you voted is public.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

"It doesn't matter" (and they're right) is always going to be the number one answer. Very few states actually have meaningful voting rights with respect to the presidential election. Lower races are sometimes more meaningful, but even then they're frequently forgone conclusions. The only votes I had that weren't a forgone conclusion was some municipal ballot measures.

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[–] bigpapasmurf12@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I despise humanity's current timeline. Can it fuck off, please!?

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[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So wait, if your state wins, the excess votes don't matter towards the presidential candidate?

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nope, they just go to the popular vote as bragging rights. It's a stupid system.

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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Well, they may have actual made it so about what they fear about their vote “not counting” by putting the fascists in power

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The idea that your vote doesn't count in a strongly red or blue state is total propaganda to get people to not vote and make it so that they don't have to spend money on campaigning in those places. There are way more people who don't vote than there are people who voted for either candidate in most places. If everyone voted it could easily overcome any perceived majorities. Especially if city people voted. Problem is that there isnt enough capacity to vote. And cuts to funding that capacity in red states have been a big way to discourage voting in cities. Most people can't afford to take an entire day off of work to wait in the lines and employers wouldn't allow it. They're only required to give 1 hour which is barely enough to get to a poling place and back with no lines. And that isn't enforced so many don't even give that hour. And mail in and early voting has been framed by Republicans as unreliable with fake movies and such as propaganda even though it works great in many Blue states.

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