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Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.

Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.

Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.

Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.

Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.

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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Suddenly it's an elective procedure and no longer covered by insurance.

Though I guess it may get more expensive for insurers to cover the unvaccinated so the market might actually win out with that one...

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 175 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Anybody with half a brain can see the collapse of the U.S. coming from a mile away based on what's happening right now. Our institutions are at an all-time low in trust, all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I agree with everything you said except that all the blame lies with Trump and Russian/Chinese disinfo campaigns. This has been going on since ~~the Tea Party~~ ~~George W Bush/Cheney~~ ~~Newt Gingrich~~ ~~Reagan~~ probably before anybody reading this was born

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago (4 children)

all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.

I mean yeah. But also because Americans are profoundly stupid. No excuses. As a whole, we're stupid as fuck.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Our schools have been under attack by the usual shitheads ever since we won to get them integrated.

Smart comfortable people don't obey. Uneducated, poor people with two jobs and three kids don't have any energy left over to crack a book and be disruptive.

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[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Politicians do not benefit from an educated populace.

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

We elected TFG... twice. Humanity is doomed

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What’s this “we?” I take zero responsibility for the election of that idiot. I tried as hard as I could to get everyone I know to not vote for him.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Eh. It's "we" whether you like it or not, unfortunately.

Do we really differentiate between the good and bad Germans in Nazi Germany? Not really. History paints with broad strokes. In the future we're all going to look like the bad guys, whether we fought back or not. It's a shameful time to be an American.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

What? There are quite a few Germans who rebelled against against the Nazis and are recognized for it.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

And I swear you guys are going to take us down with you (as a Canadian). The Trump "jokes" about annexing Canada are really starting to get to me.

So much for being good trading partners and friendly neighbours I guess

Edit: this isn't really directed at you in particular, it's just that as Canadians we didn't even get a say in this but somehow you voted overwhelmingly for him again and now he's threatening to invade us before he even takes office. I'm fucking tired man (and a little drunk)

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 108 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr."

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago

We're gonna party like it's 1899

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

As is tradition!

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It's the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How does that help them? It's a vaccine. If just you have yours, it doesn't work very well. It still helps some and objectively improves things so it's still a good idea, but it's not like having it when everybody does their job.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You are thinking like someone who gives a damn about other humans. Yes, everyone benefits when everyone who is able to gets the shot and we can keep the overall spread down.

But what if you are the type of person who thinks that everything is a zero-sum game, and you're not really a winner unless you have more than the other guy? What advantage is there to you, personally, if everyone benefits? It's much better if you get the benefits, and people you hate do not.

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[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don't know how to salvage someone like that.

[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/

It's scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump's tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I've had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you'd be surprised how much success you can have.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

That'd be fine if they weren't dragging the rest of the world along with them.

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A wise man once said - never go full retard.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Holy shit, is this for real?

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

Why the fuck are people still surprised?

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yes it must be the vaccines that are causing autism rates! Ignore the studies and decades of evidence that show they don't, because they definitely do!

It's not all the micro plastic pollution, or car pollution, or chemicals in our water, or hormones in our food, no it's definitely the vaccines!

  • This message is brought to you by Karen and Cletus
[–] vashti@feddit.uk 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Or people could have been autistic all along, and just not diagnosed?

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[–] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Kill the department of education and force religious curriculum. This whitewashing will hide the history of slavery and make indentured servitude a normal way of life. If you tell them Jesus said it, they will believe it because they can't read or just don't care to take the time and do it. Religion is about blind faith in something that may or may not exist. It is a form of control over those with little to lose.

Ban vaccines so people are sick and weak. Make all other health care unaffordable. Make them starve by inflating prices. Make their bodies weak to avoid physical conflict. They can't hurt you when they are barely able move or care for themselves.

End sex education and ban abortion. People are going to get sick and die constantly. You will have a population falloff preventing any increase to your wealth and power if you don't force them to have kids faster to fill the labor pool.

Keep their wages low so you can buy out their housing. Force them to be reliant on you to put a roof over their heads. Make them work multiple jobs at little pay just to afford this rental housing. Having no home is a real killer of hope.

Pit them against each other. Crime is up, must be the illegal immigrants! They are taking all your jobs! That black guy down the street is going to steal you stuff and your women. That Jew works at the bank and is the reason you can't get a raise or a loan. Your neighbor is your enemy and They will take everything you have if don't have a gun to protect yourself.

I'm could keep going down the rabbit hole, but why bother. These assholes want us back in 1800's where the rich control and own everything.

Don't let them fool you. The rich control both parties in this country. It's just that one side doesn't give a fuck about being open about what they are doing or public perception.

I am not condoning violence, but this is where we are going to end up shortly if the rich stay comfortable. Freedom isn't free, and we are almost out of fight due to apathy. Average people care more about what some ass clown doing in their social feeds than seeing what is about to slap them right in the face.

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[–] K3zi4@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pro-life crowd really trying to murder as many children as they can. That's crazy. Good luck America.

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[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, the measles are going to absolutely ruin America, and then spread to the world. One of my family members was 'immune' to the vaccine for it, and a doctor took my aunt aside and told her that basically any large crowd was a danger to my cousin. IE. "Go to the fair and there's a chance he catches it." Luckily he was able to finally reach the % required that from the vaccine but I think he was 16 before that happened.

So many children are going to die. I wonder if people who didn't vote in the US are starting to realise what they've done.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

and then spread to the world

But the rest of the world still has the vaccine programs. Very quickly Americans will require proof of vaccination before visiting other countries. While there might be an uptick in cases outside of the US, it will be nothing compared to within.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 28 points 1 week ago

If vaccine requirements go away, this is bad

If vaccines become illegal or prohibitively expensive, this is a disaster

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

99 dead kids in the ground,

99 dead kids

Remove a vaccine, no longer to be found

999999999 dead kids in the ground

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 18 points 1 week ago

Make infanticide numbers great again

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thank you USA if you do this, it will most likely show our crazies here in Europe why exactly it is we do it.
Of course I feel sorry for the children that will get needlessly sick.
We may see Darwin awards on a national scale for the ~~first~~ 2nd time in history.
Except this time is worse, because it's parents killing off their innocent children through stupidity. But A kind of Darwin award nonetheless, since they are ending their genetic line.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

First time in history? Did we forget about the Herman Cain awards already?

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[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

RFK is insane. Trump hates the poor

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[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think we are forgetting the rate at which Trump chews through allies. Kennedy is simply another useful idiot. He was useful to have his idiot base vote for the turd. They will (maybe) look at the numbers, pharma will say that stocks will go down, and Kennedy will be substituted by another useful idiot. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

That’s the only thing I can hope, is that the pharmaceutical and insurance industries will tell him to bury rfkj in a hole in the desert

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This has such "Doctor Strangelove" vibes, although the idiocy on display in that movie was meant to be satirical and absurd, yet here we are

[–] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh? Sounds like someone wants my precious bodily fluids. You. Cant. Have them!

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.

Was cool while it lasted.

[–] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Compulsory quarantine for people coming from the US into EU is gonna happen very fast

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