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[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 287 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] witten@lemmy.world 158 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's like the old saying, "If you see a child stealing food, no you didn't."

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If you see anyone of any age stealing food, no you didn’t.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nah.

Rich people steal for “fun” sometimes.

And something like baby formula is often stolen to be sold overseas, not because they needed it.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Maybe so. But if there’s any possibility it’s a genuine need, don’t ruin a baby’s chance to get fed.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

One of my favorite movies!

[–] Deadeyegai@lemmy.world 151 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean they say this is the guy they're looking for...but is it?? I don't recognize him at all. Also he doesn't seem to have that fancy backpack in between pictures. This leads me to believe that these are 2 separate dudes. Clothing colors are also different.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We don't know.

I'm gonna sound like a conspiracy theorist, but what do you think happens if they can't find a perpetrator? They find a scapegoat. They do that often, even with low-profile cases, what makes you think they won't do it for a high-profile case?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 79 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

To the people of New York:

We have a responsibility as citizens to respect our civic duty to justice. You may be selected for a jury to try a suspect for this murder. It may be the one responsible, it may be a scapegoat. In either case, after the judicial proceedings, you will be asked to assent to a verdict. On that day, you will be required to ensure justice is served. On that day, remember just two words: jury nullification.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'll admit, you had me in the first half.

For anyone genuinely considering jury nullification, it's also probably not a good idea to bring it up before deliberation. Lawyers typically try to get jurors dismissed when they're aware that it's actually an option.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You also kinda need to convince your fellow jurors to vote "non-guilty". But do so discreetly.

Hung jury is a mistrial. Mistrial means the prosecution can try again. (Double Jeopardy doesn’t apply to mistrials) If you were the only one who voted not-guilty, chances are, the next jury will vote unanimously guilty.

Its very easy to get kicked off jury before deliberations, so what you wanna do is: After deliberations begin, try to covertly nudge your fellow jurors. For example, if the suspect did not say anything that’s a confession, say “Are y’all sure this is the guy, I feel like he’s been set up.” Make excuses on why he might not be the perpetrator.

Only when you are sure that you or only like 2 or 3 of you are saying “not-guilty” then try to say things like: “But should we really convict this guy when the CEO that died was a horrible person?” Just try not to say “jury nullification”, keep making excuses on why you are voting “not-guilty”.

Interestingly, just due to the inclination of the executive branch to "get a conviction" fast, at any cost, it's actually pretty likely that is in fact "the wrong guy". The investigators will be under pressure to find someone, and will use available technology in an absolutely, horrendously wrong way just to get a "result" and use that as a justification to accuse random unlucky people. Of course, anyone with deeper knowledge of involved technology would know that, but they're not working for the ill educated LE operators.

All something to consider when potentially ruining someone's life because some dumb fuckers got an innocent joe as the wrong person because they deformed under pressure and couldn't successfully do their job. Happens way too often

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world amended their TOS to ban people for promoting Jury Nullification.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

After they banned everyone for it, and later said they would change the TOS to ban people for it.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/29086287

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[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean there's a million eyes on them, they're either gonna get the right or the whole DA is gonna be in a world of shit.

If it comes out they intentionally framed someone cause they couldn't find the right guy, there's no way this won't come out. Already disregarding the heightened likelyhood on jury nullification and general unwillingness for the public to cooperate.

There's so many news stations in proximity and so many people who'd speak out in a nanosecond, they can't even get to fuck around before they find out.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty sure his dress is gold, not blue 😆

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 144 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just pointing out that had it been an average Joe who got assassinated and we had a clear picture of the killer's face we wouldn't even have heard about it on the news. Now they want everyone to look for him.

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 82 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And suddenly an entire city has facial blindness.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

Facial blindness and knowledge of jury nullification, for reasons...

[–] witten@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh I like that phrasing even better! I changed the meme. Thank you!

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No worries, I love that they've released his face and still no one's saying shit. The poors are working together for the greater good.

Edit: Also, why does the first picture look like a young Joe Rogan?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 78 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Couldn't say it better myself.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like thinking he was avenging some family member(s) who died due to claim denials, or something along those lines. If we find out he's some Qanon weirdo operating on some conspiracy about endrinochrome or whatever, it's really going to dampen the vibes.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I sincerely hope he was. I hope it felt really good. I collected a mountain of screenshots from Facebook today of people who had lifesaving claims denied by them, and it's so shocking written out even though of course it isn't.

[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was just asking in another thread for this to replace the Drake meme and you already did it you glorious bastard

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Guy on the bottom has a mouse cursor over him so it’s obvious the pic is AI. Can’t prove the top pic isn’t also AI. These pics tell me nothing…this guy probably doesn’t even exist.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What does a mouse cursor have to do with that? It's likely just an old school literal screenshot.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My assumption is that the comment was making a joke to just ignore this face because it isn't real. I assume they know it is, it's just an excuse to not pay attention if you see someone who looks like this.

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[–] Tautvydaxx@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

First they use our help to search sunken rich people, now they want our help to find rich people killers.

[–] Bunnylux@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The mayor of New York City literally said in an interview that the guy was masked the whole time and the face pictures were generated using "police techniques". Why is no one talking about this???

[–] witten@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I think you're probably misinterpreting the quote. Here's the reporting on this from the NYT:

Mayor Eric Adams said Friday morning that the investigation was “on the right track.” In an interview on Spectrum News NY1, the mayor added: “This person was fully masked, and we used good old-fashioned police work to come up with the picture you have.”

I think what the mayor is saying here is that because the alleged killer was masked, the cops actually had to do some detective work, canvas door-to-door maybe, pull security footage, that sort of thing. It wasn't just a case of sitting back and running facial recognition on the killer like something outta CSI.

Unless you're thinking of a different quote.

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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Why the fuck is that mouse cursor pointing right? How did that happen? What kind of loving God would allow that?

[–] kelseybcool@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

It's a left handed mouse 😁

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Anybody else see this photo and think 1) damn, that's a nice smile; he's fine, and 2) my hero.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I mean yeah he's charming but that ain't the guy. Different jacket, different bag.

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[–] pfm@scribe.disroot.org 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think this scene summarises the situation very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRcfqpyuk9k

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I collected a small mountain of screenshots from Facebook of people who had United Healthcare claims denied.

https://imgur.com/a/yczbSDa

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