Asklemmy

If you move from twitter thinking it'll not end up like twitter you're wrong. It'll go through the same growing pains process and you'll end up right back where you started with nothing to show for it.

Centalised as in not federated. Which means we've basically set a timer until it starts acting like Google or Facebook, or even Twitter/"X" if a crazy person buys it out.

That being said, I welcome any kind of actual competition.

It's corporate social media.

You'll get ads. You'll get your privacy invaded. You'll have an algorithm pushing content toward you. Eventually, they'll open the floodgates to fascists because pissing you off keeps your eyes glued to ads.

BUT, it's also familiar, and that's more important to people than having to do leg work, though personally I prefer Mastodon and it's really not that hard to use once you've spent a few days there and gotten used to it.

Nothing is "wrong" with it. Its just a different platform.

The "problem" is that its just a different platform. Nothing is really different. It's like choosing Pepsi over Coke. Its a choice and maybe one is flavored more to your liking, but they are both full of the same ingredients and unhealthy with continual ingestion.

I haven't used it either, because I didn't like Twitter or X. Today I suspect Bsky is fine, because it hasn't been around long enough to become toxic or to censor discussions etc... Just give it time, it will get there.

The issue most people are bringing up is that there are "better" platforms (i.e. fediverse) that aren't getting any traffic instead.

I can understand this, but the flip side is that the voices promoting the fediverse usually arent very compelling either in voice or ease. Think of it like somebody wanting to buy a PC. One person says to get Linux (and arch of course) because it's the best and you're a fool to get anything else. Here, take it and figure it out. Another person says to get a Mac, because it can do everything you need it to do, easily and without work, plus has added features you didn't even think about that seem useful to your life. And if you get stuck they have a genius bar to assist. So people choose Mac. Similarly people are choosing Bsky because it's easy and straightforward.

Isn’t it Twitter before musk?

I remember the olden days when people said Twitter was shit and it wasn’t intentionally bad.

Nothing is wrong with it. Fediverse bros are just salty that it’s getting all the traffic instead of mastodon.

It claims to be decentralized but normal people can't reasonably spin up a server like you can for Mastadon.

Which means, if it goes to shit by whoever is holding the power behind it, then it will go to shit exactly like Xitter.

With Mastadon, you can easily make an instance and jump to different instances that haven't gone to shit.

ATProto Federation is hypothetical at best. Bluesky remains centralized for all intents and purposes.

Founders are all cryptocurrency dorks. The CEO got her start in selling shitcoins and peddling AI slop. Not a lot of confidence in their ability to lead a successful social media company.

It's a for-profit company, and so far their actual profit-generating function has yet to be determined. Maybe it's ads. Maybe it's subscription fees. Maybe they just end up selling all your data off to their 1,000+ data broker partners. Nobody knows yet, but it isn't going to remain free and open permanently.

ActivityPub is already fully federated with dozens of different services, and thousands of different instances. Every instance has its own leadership, and most are run by generous sysadmins, donations, and volunteers. It can't make top-down decisions, it can't go out of business, and it can't be bought.

its centralized because only a single board controls it, and it doesnt federate with literally anything but itself.

It's slightly more than a green(blue?)washed Twatter.

The fact it's getting such a stellar rise over Mastodon is imho a bit sus - people behind it have coin & reach (political), I'm sure monies are being pumped into the bluesky sensationalization, like influences & media articles.

Twatter has/had a lot of monetization potential & now is even more of a (really incredibly direct) political-tool, there are bound to be interest groups that would benefit from cutting it a bit. But all of them want more monies, so they ofc won't help fossy things.

The problem I see with BlueSky is, what's the difference between Bluesky and Twitter?

Did any learning take place? "Okay, clean sheet design, let's do it again but better this time" what did they do to keep Bluesky from going the exact same direction Twitter did?

https://lemmy.ca/comment/12906744

I talked about it in this comment, which should hopefully still be recent enough to be accurate

It's still too soon to tell what they will do. It's totally possible that they will take the necessary steps to be properly decentralized by transferring control of the registry + protocol to an independent non profit.

Right now I feel that they don't have much of an incentive to do that, since the vast majority of their users won't care.

I would love to be proven wrong

There's nothing from a user experience currently that makes bluesky bad, it's just that since it doesn't seem to actually support decentralization, there's nothing to stop it from eventually getting just as bad as twitter over time due to profit incentive. Misskey/mastodin are the only microblogging platforms that are truly immune from corporate manipulation and enshittification, which would mean it's a long term solution (that while imperfect, can only get better).

People dislike it because it's not federated, but hot take: federation doesn't solve enshittification. It just devolves everything into little shitty internet fiefdoms. It doesn't do anything to prevent the inherent problems that arise as a result of having everyone freeball a random moderation structure, where they can outsource their agency to some guy they don't know, with the illusion that there's some clear set of rules or useful tools that exist somewhere off in the distance, being used by the "correct" actors and moderators. Which in turn means that everything becomes vulnerable to any abuse of the static, singular, broad rules, inside of these walled gardens that people are basically locked into.

You get bait, you get ragebait, people taking advantage of the singular "algorithms" in order to game the system for maximum attention, and you incentivize that behavior because you make it way too easy to engage in. You get people paying to get on the front page of reddit, and you get eglin air force base being the most reddit addicted town. People think that AI abuse is some recent phenomenon, but it's not, bots have been on the internet forever, and people have been incentivized to engage in bot-like behaviors forever. Eventually you get a huge, hollow system, where everything has the guise of legitimate human interaction at the surface level, but is really just subject to this huge system of incentives and planned interactions which people are made subconscious of.

You'd really need the ability to have account migration for a better decentralized network, and you'd probably actually just need self-hosting for everyone. You'd probably want blocklists to easily propagate around (+2 for bluesky), and you'd probably actually want those to have easily copied and pasted rules that could be shared between users to prevent spam and make it so abuse is less common and easily prevented before it happens.

Which is what the usenet already had/has. It's just that the common consensus (which I believe to be false), is that the usenet is too hard to use, and requires demands too much intellectually from its users. If you decide to take this philosophy to the extreme, you end up with something like tiktok, where the idea is that people use their premade google account, scroll downwards forever, and that's it.

I wouldn't mistake this as being some sort of like, natural occurrence, though, that's an intentional decision, made by businessmen, that want to maximize sales through an in-app store and control a massive cultural space. That's a specific decision that they've made, and they've tuned their platforms to take advantage of people's worst instincts in order to perpetuate that. Often with the assistance and explicit consent of governments which want these platforms to be used to track everything.

They pour money into that system, it's an explicit decision they're making to push that onto people as a result of current economic and political structures, and it's due to those structures that they have that power to be able to do that, and due to those structures that these shit systems succeed, keep being cycled out in boom and bust cycles, over the better systems that people create.

it's microblogging

I never used Twitter personally, only exposed thru osmosis, so a reboot is very underwhelming. Seems perfect for somebody.