this post was submitted on 01 Dec 2024
123 points (90.7% liked)

Asklemmy

44005 readers
427 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Seriously i have zero idea what is going on with bluesky. I never used it. Why are people saying it's centralised? I also heard that a lot of people are joining it.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] comfy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I disagree with saying there's nothing wrong with it, just as I would disagree that there was nothing wrong with the original Twitter. It is creating conditions which lead it towards for-profit behaviour which will end up hurting users, unlike some other platforms which are not run for-profit.

This is a far-reaching difference with real societal impacts if the platform becomes dominant, not just some difference in taste that can be hand-waved away as nothing.

[โ€“] Broken@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I get that, and I'm sort of saying that. The only difference is that I'm not calling for profit businesses wrong. In agree that its a non sustainable model for social media from the users perspective, but it's a very sustainable model from the company perspective.

But that's why I choose differently now. And others might choose differently when the platform gets to be in a poor state.

The key here is I can't make that decision for others. Now or later. If you want people to go to another platform, then build a better platform and market it better.

[โ€“] jerakor@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When it converts to the profit extraction phase the cutting edge folks will move on. Then the content will slowly become dominated by corporate auto created content. And then eventually the average person will look for the next place to go.

This is just the new cool local bar hangout at scale. This is how human socialization works. It has worked like this for hundreds of years.

[โ€“] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You say this as if it's some inevitable law of society, but I disagree. The profit extraction phase isn't an inevitability, especially online where digital hosting is relatively cheap and services can be run with 0 income, and many larger sites have run off unconditional donations only (and therefore without having to compromise for investors). The domination of content by exploitative actors can be combatted, especially when you aren't desperate for income from corporations.

It's obviously an uphill battle, but it's been done at smaller scales for social media sites and had been done at large scale for other sites like archive.org and Wikipedia.

[โ€“] jerakor@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago

I think the big difference here is that to the average user they see archive.org or Wikipedia as being a onesided transaction. An Archive where folks store information for you, an encyclopedia where information is stored by folks for you. There is no expectation of engagement of the average user. It is rare for someone to wake up and think "Man I gotta put something up on Wikipedia today or people are going to think I'm not the person I act like I am".

People go to social events to keep up appearances. People participate on social media to keep up appearances. Maintaining these types of things require you to effectively help people balance their ability to participate in society with their ability to communicate. A Wikipedia contributor is a scholar. A community moderator is a bartender and a bouncer rolled into one. It doesn't have the stability because the work required to keep things going is high stress for the majority of the people doing the work.

Lemmy's solution is nice because the smaller instances can just ban whole cloth the larger ones and everyone gets to move forward. It means you never are burdened by having a ton of users, but that then also defies the goal of some of the larger social media platforms.