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On Monday, X filed an objection in The Onion’s bid to buy InfoWars out of bankruptcy. In the objection, Elon Musk’s lawyers argued that X has “superior ownership” of all accounts on X, that it objects to the inclusion of InfoWars and related Twitter accounts in the bankruptcy auction, and that the court should therefore prevent the transfer of them to The Onion. 

The legal basis that X asserts in the filing is not terribly interesting. But what is interesting is that X has decided to involve itself at all, and it highlights that you do not own your followers or your account or anything at all on corporate social media, and it also highlights the fact that Elon Musk’s X is primarily a political project he is using to boost, or stifle, specific viewpoints and help his friends. In the filing, X’s lawyers essentially say—like many other software companies, and, increasingly, device manufacturers as well—that the company’s terms of service grant X’s users a “license” to use the platform but that, ultimately, X owns all accounts on the social network and can do anything that it wants with them.

“Few bankruptcy courts have addressed the issue of ownership of social media accounts, and those courts that have were focused on whether an individual or the individual’s employer owned an account used for business purposes—not whether the social media company had a superior right of ownership over either the individual or the corporation,” Musk’s lawyers write. 

The case Musk’s lawyers are referencing here is Vital Pharm’s bankruptcy case, in which a supplement company filed for bankruptcy and the court decided that the Twitter and Instagram accounts @BangEnergyCEO, which were primarily used by its CEO Jack Owoc to promote the brand, were owned by the company, not Owoc. The court determined that the accounts were therefore part of the bankruptcy and could not be kept by Owoc.

Except in exceedingly rare circumstances like the Vital Pharm case, the transfer of social media accounts in bankruptcy from one company to another has been routine. When VICE was sold out of bankruptcy, its new owners, Fortress Investment Group, got all of VICE’s social media accounts and YouTube pages. X, Google, Meta, etc did not object to this transfer because this sort of thing happens constantly and is not controversial. (It should be noted that social media companies regularly do try to prevent the sale of social media accounts on the black market. But they do not usually attempt to block the sale of them as part of the sale of companies or in bankruptcy.)

But in this InfoWars case, X has decided to inject itself into the bankruptcy proceedings. Jones has signaled that Musk has done this in order to help him, and his tweet about it has gone incredibly viral. On a stream of his show after the filing, Jones called this “a major breaking Monday evening news alert that deals with the First Amendment and the people's fight to reclaim our country from the clutches of the globalists.”

"Elon Musk X Corp entered the case with a lawsuit within it to defend the right of X to not have private handles of people like Alex Jones stripped away. It violates the 13th Amendment against slavery, there are many issues. Today they filed a major brief in the case,” Jones said. “Elon Musk’s X comes to Alex Jones’ defense against democrat attempts to steal Jones’ X identity.”

Musk famously unbanned Jones, then appeared on the same Twitter Spaces broadcast with him. Musk has also tweeted occasionally that he believes The Onion is not funny. Jones, meanwhile, has been ranting and raving about some sort of conspiracy that he believes led a judge via the Deep State to sell InfoWars to The Onion at auction. 

X calls itself “the sole owner” of X accounts, and states that it “does not consent” to the sale of the InfoWars accounts, as doing so would “undermine X Corp.’s rightful ownership of the property it licenses to Free Speech Systems [InfoWars], Jones, or any other account holder on the X platform.” Again, X accounts are transferred in bankruptcy all the time with no drama and with no objection from X.

“Looming over the framework [in the Vital Pharm case] was the undeniable reality that social media companies, like X Corp., are the only parties that have truly exclusive control over users’ accounts,” the lawyers write. “X CORP. OWNS THE X ACCOUNTS.”

That a corporate social media company says it owns the social media accounts on its service is probably not surprising. Meta, Twitter, Google, LinkedIn, and ByteDance have run up astronomical valuations by more or getting people to fill their platforms with content for free, and have created and destroyed countless businesses, business models, and industries with their constantly-shifting algorithms and monetization strategies. But to see this fact outlined in such stark terms in a court document makes clear that, for human beings to seize any sort of control over their online lives, we must move toward decentralized, portable forms of social media and must move back toward creating and owning our own platforms and websites.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Musk is not American, he is here to profit off America and does care what happens to it.

If he bleeds the country dry and ruins the country he will just leave while the rest of us are stuck here

MUSK is not American. Be warned.

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 147 points 2 days ago (5 children)

If X owns all of the accounts, then it sounds like they should be liable for all of the speech from those accounts. I hope people jump on this.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You nailed it on the head—if X owns all X accounts, then X should absolutely be held liable and named as codefendants in all past and future litigation where content posted on X is used in the suit. By asserting ownership over the accounts, X is effectively taking on a level of responsibility for the platform's use and misuse, akin to how a publisher is held liable for the content it distributes.

This raises serious implications for legal accountability. If X claims ownership, they are asserting control, and with control comes liability. They can't just cherry-pick the benefits of owning the accounts (like monetization, data, and influence) without accepting the risks, including being dragged into lawsuits where harmful, defamatory, or illegal content originates from their platform.

It would also set a precedent for greater accountability in tech. Platforms often hide behind Section 230 protections to dodge responsibility, but if they step forward and say, 'We own the content or accounts,' then they lose the shield of neutrality and should face the consequences accordingly. It’s a slippery slope that X might regret going down if this theory gains traction in courtrooms.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 days ago

elon just admitted in court that he owns multiple accounts dedicated to sharing csam on the internet.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 49 points 2 days ago

It's a stupid thing to do anyway. Now every other corporation that uses Xitter as a social marketing tool just got reminded that their account is essentially valueless as it can be removed from them at his whim.

[–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

This !!! We need this

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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

X owns my collection of thousands of gay porn links

god is my witness i never thought anyone would want it

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[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 278 points 3 days ago (7 children)

So if x has superior ownership, then they should be subject to every illegal thing ever posted on X.

Including CSAM posts and other illegal things.

So whos the pedo now Elon?

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 days ago

Especially if the claim ownership of the Infowars account. They should be added to the debtors for the Sandy Hook families.

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 60 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So whos the pedo now Elon?

I won't ever get over him larping as a child and tweeting as if he'd want himself as a father.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago

And all because none of his actual children give two shits about Apartheid Daddy.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

The judge should say, fine if you want legal precedent that you are the superior owner I'll give it to you, case closed. Now you will have to respond for every singles illegal thing posted on there since you are the owner.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Same as the Companies are People bs. They're people when it comes to bribing politicians, but they have money and are not responsible for evils committed by their companies.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

in that case, it sounds to me like the Sandy Hook families should be able to sue X for another 1.6 billion for allowing its accounts to be used to defame and threaten the families.

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

And I think the onion could sue for copyright infringement or something to at least close the accounts.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 102 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I can't wait for the Texas and Connecticut families to file a motion to make X liable for the $1.5b too, since they own the Infowars account it's their responsibility.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can't have a safe harbor and ownership.

[–] spiritsong@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

This I don't trust the US legal system but it'll be very funny if the Sandy Hook parents win.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

Please let this happen. It'd be fucking hilarious to watch the rat try to squirm out of xitter losing him even more money.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 101 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

if they own the accounts, that means they arent protected by section 230 and is liable for every illegal thing that is posted?

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you do not own your followers or your account or anything at all on corporate social media

X, and by extention all other social media platforms, would intervene in any and all brands to demand permission for mergers/sales if social media accounts are part of the merger. This is an insane level of megalomania, that goes well beyond "ownership of content posted" online.

The fact that Musk is intervening to protect the most hateful pro-Republican disinformation, while having bought the presidency, and then expecting Supreme court to side with him could be understood as counter to democratic ideals, but its just another step in that direction.

The most likely outcome of a pro-Musk ruling is the onion makes a new lower bid for infowars without the twitter accounts. Maybe Musk bids higher for infowars. There is an anti-trust case for this scenario, but it only applies in a presumed principled democracy.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

if twitter owns all the accounts, what does that mean for official state run accounts that are archived and saved for historical purposes?

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[–] maevyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This really conflicts with the idea that, as platforms, websites are not legally liable for the content their user’s produce. At least at a high level, it feels like those two should be mutually exclusive. If X owns all of the accounts on its site, it should be legally liable for all of them. If X is not legally liable, it should imply some amount of individual ownership.

Like, yes federation is better and we should be pushing for it, but also, we should be trying to push for better regulation of incumbent social media platforms too if we can. Seems unlikely but we can try.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 188 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

What the actual fuck?! Just that first paragraph!

On Monday, X filed an objection in The Onion’s bid to buy InfoWars out of bankruptcy. In the objection, Elon Musk’s lawyers argued that X has “superior ownership” of all accounts on X, that it objects to the inclusion of InfoWars and related Twitter accounts in the bankruptcy auction, and that the court should therefore prevent the transfer of them to The Onion.

So they argue that accounts are non transferable, even by court order!!
This is complete bullshit, and should not be taken seriously at all as a legal argument, obviously X has the right to close the accounts afterwards, if they are operated against the terms X has decided. But ONLY if that. It should not be allowed to do it arbitrarily.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 96 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not non-transferrable, as that would prevent Elon from claiming @america or the transfer of @POTUS.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 days ago

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 24 points 2 days ago (8 children)

How will Musk manage all the conflicts of interest, between all of his companies and assets and his role in government. His business interests are so large and diverse that it literally can't be done, can it? Already got the sense that the US is going down the path of oligarchic kleptocracy. But how shameless and out in the open will it be?

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago

Simple: he doesn't.

In his mind the government needs to be run like a business, and in business only profit matters, therefore there is no conflict of interest. Also it is becoming clear that laws are completely irrelevant now and no matter the accusation, they will put YOU in jail because they got the power.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

CEO must be the easiest job in the world because so many of those fuckers have more than one.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wow, Alex Jones looks like he aged 15 years in the past few months.

Good.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

He's probably experiencing the unimaginable levels of stress he himself once imposed on many people with his platform in the past. Good riddance.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 39 points 3 days ago

Xitter is basically state media at this point. MAGA media, if you prefer, as run by the preferences of President Musk.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Okay... so lets say Musk wins, and the infowars handle isn't transferred.

The Onion should then file an impersonation complaint with X and have the handle handed to them. I would assume in the auction the onion purchased the rights to the trademark InfoWars.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 36 points 3 days ago

This would be interesting considering people like Elon want to get rid of Section 230. He could be shooting himself in his left foot to prevent himself from shooting himself in his right foot.

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[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 101 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It violates the 13th Amendment against slavery

Uh?

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 48 points 3 days ago

Just hollering bullshit, because in the past if he did that louder and longer it worked for jones.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If he wanted to save a right wing shitbird's stuff so badly, why didn't he buy it?

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[–] lemonSqueezy@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interesting that it's the same web3 proponents that are the first to say they own your entire digital identity and you have to like it

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

I hope it's from explosive diarrhea and in public, and he's aware of it every minute, and confused and embarrassed. That's the important bit, that he goes confused. I want the last spark of chemistry in that shitheels' brain to be devoted to the utterly failed grasping of his situation.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bitch I run my own mastodon instance. I definitely own my social media accounts

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 49 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Ok. The accounts can be withheld, suspended or whatever.

The Onion is therefore entitled to due compensation from X Corp., as this was considered to be included in the bid. X can have that NFT for just 47 billion dollars, what a deal! /s

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[–] crawancon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

it's pretty weird how much is tied to our online identities, and we don't own them.

and who gives two fucks about repudiation or identity theft anyway.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'm still reading but ffs- I click ONE x.con source and my in app browser makes me hit back 5 times just to get to lemmy again nothing else pulls that shit but maybe daily news level

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