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If Russia is permitted to annex any part of Ukraine it sends the message that they can attack any country and eventually take over parts of it.
If the world doesn’t stop Russia from taking Ukraine, Russia isn’t going to stop once they’ve taken Ukraine.
Exactly! I don't know why appeasement is even discussed with any seriousness. We've all seen this before.
Previously on: "World History"
England: "Fine, fine, you can have, like, ~~Poland~~ a slice of Czechoslovakia, but then chill out!"
Narrator: "He did not 'chill out'."
(Edited for accuracy. Thanks!)
The United Kingdom, along with France, ceded Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland, not Poland, to Hitler's Germany; in fact, it was the Nazi regime's invasion of Poland the following year that prompted France and the United Kingdom to declare war.
Can’t understand why you’re being downvoted. This is quite literally the collective assessment of NATO.
It’s also essentially why NATO exists. I understand the “not involved in conflict” clause for applying but this seems like a special occasion where the conflict is coming from the whole reason the damn organization was created in the first place
2/3rds of Ukrainians want the same. They just need the help to resist the Russian invasion.
Poll data was part of Perun's latest video on the latest developments of the war and what the turning point will be:
https://youtu.be/vf2vSoWsmgI (0:50:38)
Why only 2/3?
getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you're not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you're gonna have a few deluded souls who've allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you're also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i'd estimate there's around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so "should we retain our boundaries when this is over" is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives
With the war this long, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a segment of the Ukrainian population that says, "Let's just end this. If that means we give up some land for peace, and Russia pays for it, it's worth the lives saved."
I've been reading a lot about the US revolutionary war and there were definitely those who wanted an end to hostilities even if it meant returning to the crown.
I'm not saying it's right because we all know Russia would absolutely invade again. But it might help explain some of the 1/3 that don't agree with not giving an inch to Russia.
I assume the other 3rd are "Ukrainian" in the way that they've been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine
Meh. To be honest, I shouldn’t be surprised that even if your assumption is true, this was the result.
Hell, 45 became 47
The US elections aren't the only thing targeted by the Kremlin's propaganda
War weariness is a thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a non-insignificant number of that 1/3 that doesn't oppose Russia keeping some territory are just tired of the war and want it to be over.
3 years is a long time to live in a war torn country with frequent power outages and food shortages. People tend to disassociate when it doesn't affect them directly and if they happen to live on the Western side of Ukraine, losing territory on the Eastern border will have less of an effect on them than continued food and power shortages.
Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We've helped, sure, but we need to do more.
Agree 100% we can't rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.
As one of those rich bipolar methlab brothers, save yourself while you can
Tax the rich to fund it lol.
Trudeau is spot on and Canada should ask the Blue States if they would like to be annexed.
Yeah sure, it will go like this:
2025 - blue states join Canada
2026 - red states aka the remainder of the USA face growing unrest as their funding handouts are cut off
2026 - tech companies in the province of Canifornia stop sharing new tech breakthroughs with USA due to posturings by their increasingly expanding military industrial complex and proposed weapon developments
2027 - huge skills drain in USA as health professionals and remaining scientists flee to Canada
2028 - Gilead starts amassing troops and staging 'special military exercises' on their border with Canada
As an American, I'm confused that Canada has less than 2% GDP for military spending. Do you guys just spend all that money back on yourselves? Fucking nice.
Yeah honestly as a Canadian with 2 kids and another on the way. It's pretty awesome. We get in the neighborhood of $1500 a month for our two kids already and once the next one is born we will be getting north of $2200 a month from our government. It covers a lot of bills and makes the life we have possible. We live small but we make our money go a looong way and prioritize time with our kids over extra cash flow. My wife works part time and right now I'm able to be a full time stay at home dad until my wife takes another maternity leave then I'll go back to work part or fulltime.
Edit: Also our healthcare is fully covered. It's such a relief. My wife had one potential issue with her last pregnancy and our healthcare system went above and beyond to make sure everything was fine. They immediately sent her to a more capable facility by helicopter and had specialists waiting and everything. And it was all free. They take children's health very seriously and spend any money necessary.
Some people hate our healthcare system and I get it, it has its flaws. But when shit hits the fan and you are in need. They rush to your safety it's actually crazy. My wife and child ended up being absolutely fine but they didn't even take the chance.
One time my youngest had a really bad virus and was at home. He took a turn for the worse and started having low level breathing and his skin changed colour. We rushed to the hospital since it's literally 2 mins from our house. The second someone at the front entrance saw his little face it was like go time. They cleared the hallways immediately and like 5 doctors and nurses took him from us and rushed him into the Emerg. They spend a lot of time training for moments like that and when someone is really in need of help they are there and they work like a well oiled machine to save lives.
Canada's health care sounds like what Finland's health care is supposed to be.
Instead our government is busy running it to the ground at terminal velocity.
I'm assuming it's because they really only have a single neighboring country, the US. Despite the Fallout games, I doubt that the US invasion/annexation of Canada is even seen as a remote possibility, or something that they could really ever meaningfully oppose were the US to even try it. There's just no need to maintain a ridiculously large military when you're neighbors with the country that has the largest military spending on Earth anyways, may as well just spend your money on your people.
We're annexing them through conservative news sources instead. It's slower, but quite effective.
Yes it is.
sigh
Fair, we'll have them dismantling their welfare system in a few years' time like they were red-blooded 'Mericans all along.
And Mexico spends 8 billion on war a year.
Very nice.
I'm jealous.
20 billion
Man, I'm jealous.
His country has universal health care and isn't wasting trillions a year policing the world like we are.
Our healthcare system has been deteriorating over the last 5-8 years now though with many healthcare professionals leaving the force for higher paying US opportunities. It's lead to an annoying experience out here for anyone younger than 40 seeking healthcare.
Healthcare is also provincially managed
I'll let you in on something else. We spend as much taxes per capita on healthcare as America does.