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Trudeau opposes allowing Russia to keep ‘an inch’ of Ukrainian territory
(www.theglobeandmail.com)
this post was submitted on 26 Nov 2024
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Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We've helped, sure, but we need to do more.
Agree 100% we can't rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.
As one of those rich bipolar methlab brothers, save yourself while you can
You need protection from greedy politicians and the military industry sucking in public money and fueling wars.
Finland has a pretty absurdly strong military. It really is a waste of money. But it has this military because it shares a border with Russia. If Finland did not have such a military, it would be invaded. That is what empires do. Finland's military does not start war; it prevents it.
Ideally, neither side would have to waste money on this military, but until Russia gives up theirs, Finland can't give up theirs either. Good luck convincing Russia to do that.
Not long ago, I would have been in total agreement with you. The very idea of stealing land through invasion was so antiquated to me that I did not believe even Russia would do it until the moment their troops crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, I reluctantly am forced to conclude that not only is Russia that backward, it probably always was, and the only reason Finland has been safe all these years is because of the military that I thought was so absurd.
That's a speculation you are making, russia spend 20 times as much as finland does in war they wouldn't have much problems invading finland if it was all about military strength.
That's true USA does the same.
While finland spend less than russia NATO combined spend 20 times as much as russia does in war. Do you see where your logic leads? To match USA alone russia would have to tenfold their military budget.
These figures require sources.
Sure Russia could beat Finland in an invasion, eventually, but due to Finland's army, it would be far more trouble than it's worth. And let's leave the USA out of this.
Buuuut for as long as we're not leaving the USA out of this, it is worth pointing out that Mexico and Canada do not live in constant fear of being invaded. Finland does, and this fear of invasion is very rational.
The Kremlin would be thrilled to see you in this thread shitting on the US
I'm Canadian. It's a rite of passage for us to love our sibling while also shit on them. Don't mistake it for a lack of caring.
Hell, I don't know what my, assumed, fellow countryman was on there. Complaining about the shittiness of our country is damn near the most American thing, right after Mac and Cheese, and German Chocolate Cake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_chocolate_cake?wprov=sfla1
Also American!
The name makes 0 sense but damn that looks good.
Its named after choclatier, Samuel German.
That's the joke
That is an American pasttime
I'm American. shitting on and shooting in America is my right bah gaw and i ain't take kindly to no mcarthy-eque nationalist shit.
Go hop into a river.
Tax the rich to fund it lol.
Fuck no, cut the military spending and stop fueling wars.
Canada already spend billions of dollars in war, increasing military budget will only get you more war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending. Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they'll happily attack those unable to defend themselves. This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.
Usa and nato spend 10 times more than what russia does. Open the link and do the math yourself. They have no good excuse to raise the military budget even according to your logic.
Go check the history of your country, every authoritarian nation will try to do that. Raising military spending does not make people more secure, it only increase rulers and government power. Wars are fought by people not money.
Spending more on war will get you more war. You can see it happening right now in ukraine and middle east.
There is only a war in Ukraine because Pootin illegally invaded it.
War could stop tomorrow if he pulled forces back to Russias border.
Ukraine attacking russia in their territory with US and NATO weapons isn't going to make russia stop, it will give russia even more claims to keep up with the war. That's how weapons give you more war.
But it ok for Russia to attack any part of Ukraine?
Typical bully behaviour- attacking someone weaker than themselves and then complaining when the victim fights back.
They are not just complaining about it they are using it as leverage to their propaganda and to send more people into war.
Bullies a lot of times don't attack you directly, they threaten you and piss you off until you end up attacking them. The reality of this war and pretty much all others is that there's a bunch of rulers who benefit from war and seek more of it not less. During the past century USA and Russia have been provoking and fighting each others directly and in proxy wars. Cutting military budget to 0 is how you stop wars.
"Cutting to zero".
Wishful thinking. One side cuts to zero hoping the other side does the same, only to be attacked.
Or, Russia stops its illegal war of aggression.
You can defend yourself from an attacker even if your government gives 0 public money to the war industry.
I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but you're going to have to expand on that last statement.
I know i shouldn't answer to idiots but here you go:
You and your government are two different things. If someone attack you you can defend yourself even if the government doesn't put a gun in your hands. Some example? The 200$ drones they are using in ukraine to defend themself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare
Do you not think a trained professional military could make that guerrilla warfare more costly for the occupiers? Couldn't an effective military simply prevent the invasion?
Check out the CNT-FAI and how well that strategy worked for them in the late 30s.
Canada's expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already. Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument. Also, Canada has a very real stake in ensuring russia doesn't succeed given those coveted waters you guys have along the northern territories.
Billions of dollars every year. You are feed up on propaganda, if mass media were to tell you that a billion is a big number you would be here complaining but propaganda have you thinking that you are not spending enough.
I wonder if you have any clue how these money are being spend.
I'm not Canadian, and the only source of information about Canada's military spending my statement is based off of is the one you provided.