wow. kudos for being the "now that it's too late to have an impact, i'm going to do the thing i should have done many months ago" president
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Long range missiles can have a lot of impact in a short time.
all the more reason this (among other things) should have happened many months ago
Yeah, but now is better than never.
God knows Trump wouldn’t authorize it.
you're right. i'm just salty because we live in a fascist dictatorship now
we're basically russia. could biden have even done anything? i don't even know
As long as we draw breath it ain’t over.
Get out there and organize.
how do you organize with people who refuse to consider anything other than "maybe it won't be that bad" or worse?
if you have a network of people who you trust and are actually willing to take some kind of action beyond "oh well i guess this is life now," then i'm officially jealous
Well, a network of likeminded people won’t just find you. It’s something you’ve gotta seek out.
Look for local non-profits and political groups that advocate for the positions you care about and get involved.
also there's a difference between an imperfect coalition and a compromised coalition. you may not be religious, but the organizations closest to you might be religious. it's far better to talk with open minded elca lutherans than close minded patriot front goons about what to do next. understand that there are many kinds of fascist and many kinds of anti-fascist. even the deepest red counties have people who who voted for harris because they have seen firsthand the dangers of christofascism. project 2025 is deeply unpopular and a disturbing number of people still don't realize that voting for trump and against project 2025 was not and is not an available ballot option.
here's the thing: this will never be over. not until the entire world over is free. every rise of authoritarianism has given us stories of heroes who resisted. you can hear their echos all throughout religious stories, songs, and secular media. they all tell us the same things: as long as we make art to pass down to the children, no authoritarian can ever rule forever, not even the ur-farscist, the political strongman who crops up every 80 years to lie to us about how he will free us.
right now, start telling the word truths about itself in places the right wing doesn't know how to reach. writing by hand in a journal, creating poetry, singing songs, writing in the streets with chalk. these are all things you can do while you're still looking for someone to organize with that help pass on the truth of the world to future people.
also, look for marginalized people in your community. they have been living with this terror all along. they know:
- what to do
- what you can do that will help
- the kinds of things people new to this do that they think is help that actually isn't
in other words: they are veterans of this 10k year long war. they have inherited stories you have never heard, and they still have hope even as things get worse for them.
i believe in you, and i believe in the power of everlasting peace, one where there's room for everyone at the table and everyone gets a plate before anyone gets seconds
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Not exactly russia.
I know 2nd trump term is terrifying, I'm not denying that this will be worse than his first term, but the difference is that the US has the separation of powers between the states and the federal government. The check and balance within the federal government is gone, but we still have this final line of defence, that is federalism. States can resist tyranny of the federal government, if they have the willingness to do so. Remember, that states run elections, swing states do not all have a republican trifecta. And even in republican trifecta states, there is still the state judiciary, and we might still have some of those non-magas republicans like Raffensperger.
The election in 2026 will likely be less free and fair than 2024, but with a large enough democratic margin of victory, democrats can still take back the house, maybe senate.
Maybe I'm in denial, but I consider this view to be optimism. I thought people like Raffensperger would just cave in and do whatever trump wanted but they didn't.
Don't give up hope. We'll soon see if federalism really works, if states would find the will to resist a tyrannical federal government.
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Oh no, one missile went astray and hit Mar-a-Lago. OH NO WE"RE SO SORRY
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At the start of the invasion Russia was claiming they finally had hypersonic nuclear missles. Meaning they could get nukes past defense systems. That is the reason the US was hesitant to let things escalate.
Since then we’ve found out that Russias hypersonic missles had some misfires and still didn’t have the ability to steer at hypersonic speeds if I remember right.
That plus the fact that Trump is months away from helping Russia changes the strategy.
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Now give them a thousand tomahawks and the location of every single Putin palace.
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I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:
President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.
President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.
My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.
The other side of this is that once it's allowed, Trump would have to take it away.
I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.
Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.
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Better late than never, I guess.
While they won't be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can't be guaranteed.
Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They've had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.
That's giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.
Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us
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Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.
About time
Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.
At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.
Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.
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Too late.
Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.
Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.
Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.
They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.
But, Americans aren't wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.
They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.
Thks isn't just on the people that didn't show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.
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Good move by Biden.
They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.
I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –
You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).
There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.
Ah. Some fireworks before the show is over.
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