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Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?

This is why I use Arch.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 72 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I'm usually a defender of opt-out telemetry in Linux, what with it usually being trivial to untick in the installer, the telemetry not being invasive, the telemetry being private and not being able to identify people, it being used to actually benefit Linux rather than make money, and because opt-in telemetry is useless (as repeatedly stated by multiple Linux projects that I trust, such as KDE and Gnome)...

That said, holy shit this telemetry collects stuff it really should not be collecting. This is not what Linux telemetry should be. Doubly so from a distro with a troubled past in terms of management and security. This is a red flag.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Manjaro manages to do just about everything wrong for one reason or another. They're trying to be the Canonical of the Arch ecosystem and they're not even close to competent enough to pull it off.

I'm sure they'll find some way to DDOS something with their own telemetry sooner or later.

Yeah, I don't understand why people use it, it's just more buggy Arch. If you really don't want to deal with the installer, use an installer like Endeavor OS.

Or if you think Arch is unstable, use a different distro, because Manjaro is worse. I like openSUSE Tumbleweed (also rolling, but much more reliable), and there are tons of other great distros (Fedora/Garuda, Debian/Mint, etc). Use pretty much anything but Manjaro...

[–] Dezzorian@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

For gaming rigs, check out Garuda, imo a pretty nice Arch distro without telemetry and easy installation.

[–] ADandHD@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Damn. I really liked manjaro

[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

It’s like finding out your favorite YTber touches kids… feels bad man.

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Great...Right now, when I was thinking about finally installing Manjaro (I saw its for noobs, pretty well designed, i'm tired of "power users" distros). What else then? I used EOS, it was buggy sometimes errors etc., I use cachyOS and all the time errors and problems, but i just don't care anymore, Ubuntu is corporate's shit, maybe Mint or Fedora? Actually, I kinda liked flatpak recently, maybe I could live without AUR he? But on the other hand I need this rolling release cycle, thats why I hoped Manjaro is such "stable arch", I'm nvidia user...

[–] Joker@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What is your preferred desktop environment from below?

Based on your choice I can recommend you a one.

Also do you prefer stability or getting the latest updates?

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

KDE only, I would prefer stability (as I'm tired of things breaking up), but I need latest updates (thats why i liked flatpak, cuz it partially replaces need of AUR).

[–] Joker@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Let me warn you first, your GPU might cause some issues with the distro.

Based on all the info you told me about the distro you want, I would recommend Opensuse Tumbleweed.

After installing you would just need to install Nvidia drivers and the codecs and you will be ready to go.

If you plan to use flatpacks for your media playing software and browser then you won't need codecs as it's included in the flatpacks.

Just don't forget to configure auto update and when you start installing at the final screen before clicking install make sure that ssh is disabled and selinux is enabled for extra security.

Extra notes:

  • The default browser is firefox, but it can be replaced with any other browser.

  • If you want a working office suite and you don't have high requirements, you can choose between Libre Office, Free office[Prop] or WPS office [Prop].

I hope you enjoy your time on linux.

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 2 points 5 days ago

I have to admit its interesting pick, I will try that out first in VM, thanks for suggestion :)

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Could also check out openSUSE if you don't mind the lack of an AUR

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah not really "don't mind", but hopefully I won't need it, thanks

[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

EndeavorOS is what you want, fits the same niche but without being fucking Manjaro. :-)

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 1 points 5 days ago

Well I tried, it was better than cachyOS now, but still it was not so for noobs, i had to fix many problems using it

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

since a third of manjaro is coming form austria, i apologize ⅓ times for its existence

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Because telemetry as implemented and spying are in fact very very different, and conflating the two is why "noone cares about privacy". When your giant conspiracy wall is "Manjaro knows a user in north America clicked on the start menu more often then typing into a quick search box" and you refer to that as spying, you hurt the actual cause you claim to support. Badly.

The same is true for Microsoft, ive been asking for years for any concrete proof of spying a normal human would care about and what I usually get is the Microsoft terms of use, a legal document that reflects reality less than the average legal document, and the average legal document is basically covering your eyes and hoping nobody sues you.

And because I think the correct way to dick swing in this community is as follows...I also use arch 🍆 (well endeavour, but I think I still get dick swinging credits)

[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 1 points 4 days ago

Counterpoint; it's really none of their business to know how often I click on something, and neither do I want them to have the ability to figure that out either because there is no reason to assume that those are the only data points they can get their grubby hands on.

If there is no reasonable way for me to differentiate between spying and telemetry, I rather wish they couldn't do either.

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