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But the Democrats didn't reach out to me, personally, and massage my feet while talking to me about my pet issue! So, really, there's plenty of blame to share. /s
If you lived in a swing state, you probably got multiple texts and phone calls from Democrats and other left-leaning groups, and very likely somebody knocking at your door too. Shifted the outcome by something like 3 percentage points.
But, they didn’t come and personally talk to me about how Kamden Hussein omala was going to make the ‘economy better’ (than it did post Trump’s BS)!
You know in swing states dem voters also got a shitload of maga shit? Cuz we did. I have never gotten so much conservative propaganda in my life as I did this last election season in isolation.
Swing state residency is an absolute burden. I’m super left, but seriously. Harassing 1/4 at most of the population incessantly for months every 4 years doesn’t actually make people vote dem either. The whole thing is absolutely fucked but ffs leave us alone! We don’t need 50 texts a day telling us we matter. We fucking know and don’t want that burden.
I don’t give a flying fuck about your 3 points. Give me something to vote for or shut the fuck up (I have always voted dem, and I’ve canvassed and all, because the alternative, but I will probably swap to literally anything better at this point since they are useless af and I'm tired of being a political scapegoat.)
Trump had over 50% in almost all states he won. 3rd party vote isn’t the reason we’re in this predicament.
The person you’re replying to also said “non voters” which was definitely a significant chunk of people compared to 2020’s voter turnout
Didn't make a difference in the swing states they had record breaking turns outs. The drop in votes came in other states that were deicided already settled
I looked it up, and the difference in the voting numbers are close for each swing state when you compare the results from 2020 and 2024. Another factor is that there are more eligible voters in each state so voter turnout was still less as a percentage when you factor in population growth
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Write this for me professionally and factually correct: The Green Party’s votes did not have enough voters to secure a win for Harris in this election cycle if those votes went to Harris instead of Stein. This was Hillary 2.0, but at least Harris had some policy.
As an independent voter, I cast my vote for Harris, believing she was the most suitable candidate for individuals like myself. However, it's important to acknowledge that the Democratic Party bears responsibility for this outcome.
Harris focused her efforts on appealing to Republicans rather than progressive voters, which was an unexpected approach. The sense of entitlement from the party leadership, and party loyalists, is, frankly, quite astonishing.
What do you expect would happen?
She failed to criticize Biden, and failed to better address the Israel-Gaza conflict.
Because she expected actual progressive voters to already be well educated on what trump 2.0 means for the country...now they eat trump soup, like everyone else.
They wanted hope, not more of "the same"
So instead they chose despair
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The swing states that decided it had record breaking turn outs except Pennsylvania where it was just shy. She lost last i check on Friday by just over 250k votes in 4 states. Around 250k votes flipped causing her to lose. No 3rd party votes for green party would have flipped this election last I checked
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Well yeah, if Trump fills the military with loyalists, he can order a coup to avoid losing power.
It doesn't matter as much what Trump is planning to do with his powers. He's old and on the way out whether he likes it or not. The real problem is what the people set to take over when he's gone plan to do with them. Does Trump set up his successor or does his ego force him to shut the door behind him? Our best chance at normalcy in a post Trump world might just be that he's so unbelievably mean spirited that he takes his potential rivals down with him when the time comes.
What coup, my dude? He already has power. There is no need for a coup. Why would there need to be a coup for him to keep power, he's already there?!
What he is doing is preventing a military coup that could possibly save us if we were lucky.
Why not both? He prevents a coup against him and orders a coup to stay in power after his term runs out.
I'll bet you 10 Dogecoin that Trump names Michael Flynn to this....
Russian assets in charge of firing our military leaders. Just when im able to start getting more than 4 hours of sleep since Black Tuesday i see this shit.
Yep. It's going exactly how Putin would want it to.
But according to the tankies, a depressing amount of leftists, and the Enlightened Centrists (TM) on the bothsiderist media, Russian collusion was just a "hoax".
This is the one time I wish we could have a military coup organized by some patriotic generals to arrest the incoming administration, and immediately hold a new set of elections. It won't happen, but it's nice to think about.
And when the military decides your favorite isn't good enough?
We become the next Egypt.
I agree. It would be nice for the joint chiefs to court marshal trump.
And who gets to define what patriotic is? Trumper fuckeads will disagree with your definition and your scenario opens up a nasty can of worms and slippery slopes.
The reality is, as soon as someone proves he violates the Constitution, the military can only act against the Executive Branch through a unanimous act of Congress because that's who pays the bills and can legally issue their orders to tactically execute.
Take a guess which political party completely sweeped up all the nations votes and soon controls all aspects of the Legislative Branch?
That reminds me, I feel like we need to hide whoever tried to stop that photo op in Arlington National Cemetery before they are disappeared
So what's the military got to say about this? Lol not that they can do much. I for one am excited to see Trump give all the current generals nothing to do but plot a rebellion.
Don't get it twisted, the military can choose to do whatever they want about this, up to and including execution of the full trump administration on day one. They represent the largest portion of the State's monopoly on force.
What they can do legally is another matter entirely, but we're well past legal or not at this point.
Most of the military will likely follow the law. Making atrocities lawful is going to happen very quickly after Jan 20th if not sooner from the way things are going right now.
Nobody’s saying it’d be lawful. But personally, were I a military officer, given a choice between doing a thing to save my institution and then falling on my sword, or doing nothing and watching an institution I love get corrupted and turned against the country and oaths its supposed to serve… I imagine I’d pick the former.
It’s very much a catch-22 situation. But at the same time, there’s clearly a less catastrophic (in the long-term) choice available here.
I honestly can’t believe I’m looking at the prospect of a military coup with a grain of hope at this point, but here we are. What a time to be alive.
It does say enemies foreign and domestic.
The Trump transition team is considering a draft executive order that establishes a “warrior board” of retired senior military personnel with the power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend removals of any deemed unfit for leadership.
Doesn't the Commander in Chief already have that authority?
This sounds like an advisory council.
Like that orange idiot would take anyone's advice ;-)
The point isn't to take advice; it's to push responsibility and blame onto somebody else.
I set up a panel of people that I can fire when they don't tell me that I should fire the people I already want to fire.
chef's kiss
Oh he'll take advice that he likes.
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Yes, and this is the exercise of that power. In practice, most of the things the President has power to do is delegated, and doubly so when Trump is lazy as shit. Executive Orders are the process of delegating those powers and setting guidelines.
This just isn't normally done because Presidents usually aren't afraid that their illegal orders will be ignored.
We're watching a political thriller irl in real time. Grab your popcorns, because you wont be getting anymore popcorn when the tariffs hit.
Tariffs on corn in the USA? Home of the corn lobby? Are you sure?
I wanna watch something else please
There's going to be an abundance of popcorn when other countries retaliate with their own tariffs.
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