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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 87 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

“If you are a middle-class or upper-middle class white parent, and the only thing that you care about is whether your child goes into Harvard or Yale, obviously that pathway has become a lot harder for a lot of upper-middle class kids,” said Vance, who has talked about his family's economic struggles growing up and has a degree from Yale Law School. “But the one way that those people can participate in the DEI bureaucracy in this country is to be trans, and is there a dynamic that’s going on where, if you become trans, that is the way to reject your white privilege?”

I don't even know where to begin with this....

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What the fuck does it even mean? It's like buzz word salad

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

I think the key is "DEI bureaucracy". He's trying to say they don't let white kids into Yale unless they're trans because being 'just white' isn't enough diversity.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Your first time experiencing conservatism?

[–] RedSeries@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

According to JD "Couch-Fucker" Vance, I transitioned at 32 years old to... get into Harvard or Yale? Or become a DEI hire? I already have a degree and was already gainfully employed. I actually lost rights and privilege transitioning. I'm just a woman, simple as that. Maybe if he finally comes out of the furniture store and embraces his true self, he could get past this? This man is fucking dangerous and creepy as fuck.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You can tell Trump has his arm so far up Vance’s ass he's speaking for him.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No, Trump isn't thinking about it on that level. You think Trump is concerned about kids deciding they're Trans to get into Yale? His only concern is that when he goes to grab a pussy, he doesn't get a handful of dick instead.

(Unless that dick is Rudy in drag, but we all know about that one....)

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

You’re saying Vance is a creepy ventriloquist meat puppet. You know, that does explain a lot.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sheer factual wrongness aside, most GOP rhetoric around LGBT people is based on not just a complete lack of empathy, but active avoidance of empathy. Not for one moment will they consider what gender dysphoria might feel like to an adolescent child, or how strongly wrong they would have to feel it to actually transition.

They could imagine these things easily but they work extremely hard not to.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 81 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A lifetime of conservatives calling me the F-word when they find out, yeah, that'll definitely do it.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I was thinking, have they met any gay men? I know a couple who voted trump in 2016, but never again will.

[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In the republican party a 'normal gay guy' happens to be a closeted homophobe who loves to hate.

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Check out The Bulwark podcast. Tim Miller seems like a pretty normal gay guy, who is a republican, and hates the shit out of Trump. I honestly can't conceive of who Vance is talking about with this.

[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone who still identifies as a republican is not normal, especially if they're LGBTQ+.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The F they won't!

source: me, a normal gay guy

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

I think they're just trying to set expectations as high as possible so that if they lose, then their accusations of cheating will sound more plausible, giving them more room to actually try to cheat the election.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] superkret@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not even gay but that man is hot.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The fuck does normal gay guy mean? And honestly, the fuck does normal mean?

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 26 points 3 weeks ago

To them it probably means "people who don't let anybody else know they're gay or publicly defend the LGBTQ community, so that we can pretend gay people are really rare and don't exist around us"

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Reminds me of when Colbert had NPH on the Colbert Report. They are talking about NPHs sexuality and I forget what prompted the quip but it was glorious. Something like "and that's why you're one of the most threatening gays because of how non threatening you are."

That's kinda what I think they mean by "normal" gay.

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

Lindsey Graham?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Whatever it means, Trump and Vance ain’t it.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 25 points 3 weeks ago

Vance seems to be talking a lot about people that are gay or he thinks are gay. Humm.

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 23 points 3 weeks ago

Vance thinks "normal" gay men are like him: closeted and married to women.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

I have quite a few gay friends that are about as normal as can be (ok maybe slightly nerdy) but not one of them is a Trump supporter. Anecdotal yes but it’s a pretty large sample.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

"We're still going to send them to camps once they have elected us, but I am grateful for their support."

[–] greenshirtdenimjeans@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

‘Because if they don’t, we will bump them higher on our enemies list’

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

This's my take also. Start laying the scapegoat groundwork early so it won't be such an abrupt pivot for the constituency.

[–] somtwo@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Imo, this belongs in nottheonion. How do you signify a community on Lemmy?

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

!nottheonion@lemmy.world I think

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 12 points 3 weeks ago

I do know some gay guys who are Trump supporters but to think gay men are a monolithic group is not surprising from this guy.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Is that the "closeted gay guy who endlessly votes against his own rights because fuck em?"

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Since Vance is clearly a normal gay guy, he would def know.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I have never been prouder to be a not-normal guy.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago
[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He means the Peter Thiels of the world.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Perfectly normal sociopath.

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU VANCE

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The abnormal gay guy vote - like a gay guy that likes Vance. That's weird AF.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Statistically tied against these guys...