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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 4 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Because they’re willing to chop off their nose to spite their face, as the saying goes. Only in doing so they’re going to screw over the rest of us and apparently they don’t care.

Harris is the only sane choice.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You want us to vote for the person running to the right of the guy who kept all of trump's policies because trump might get into office?

And that should be a compelling enough reason to hold our noses for genocide?

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[–] Moxible@monyet.cc 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

The US two-party system is a duopoly, so whichever party you vote for doesn't matter. They are two sides of the same coin pretending to be opposites.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

There are many contributing factors. Part of it is russian and american oligarchs spending heaps of cash to amplify any and every message that could help trump win.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Some people think the trolley problem is just a funny template.

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[–] un_aristocrate@jlai.lu 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

European here, stuck in the middle of all this.

Please vote Harris.

The winner of this ellection will be the president of all americans, not just of its supporters.

an election is just a nudge in one direction. real change takes many electoral cycles or a revolution.

If you want to do a revolution please do that on your own time or think long term electoral strategy.

Dont be stupid, be usefull. Even if it hurts.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

I wonder the same thing, specially since Trump is also pro-Israel and voting for either one wont save Palestine

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

people dont seem to see the difference between ending up with a party for which a good chunk of their supporters think that what Israel is doing is a genocide vs ending up with a party for which all of their supporters think not only that what Israel is doing is justified but should also do the same to all middle eastern countries (together with direct USA involvement).

I think there are two major subgroups within this group.

First one is immigrants whose families are from the middle east/Palestine who are rightfully very angry at all the world for doing jack shit about Israel committing genocide. What they have to realize is there are unfortunately only two options going ahead: 1- as it is now, maybe somewhat better in future, or 2- much worse. There is no third option that is going to come out of these elections but one where there is potential for change (potential coming from the supporters mentioned above) vs %100 chance of things going for the worse. Note that I am not talking at all about the candidates themselves at all, just the demographic that generally votes for them.

The second group is probably China or Russia fans who just want to see America suffer by getting Trump elected. These are very short sighted people with whom you cannot really have a coherent conversation with.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

2 reasons jump to mind.

  1. When I listen to people who personally identify with the people of Gaza, it goes way beyond logic. They have a completely emotional reaction. Their choices are almost completely driven by the question of, "Who is doing what, right now?" Questions of, "Who will do what 6 months from now?" take a distant back seat.

  2. Every time the topic comes up, Democrats dogpile on them and call them morons. People will often respond with something like, "Yeah but that's OK because they ARE morons." I won't argue if that's true or not but it's pretty obvious that line of reasoning won't win a lot of converts.

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