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[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I can hear this comment.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

PF2e Remaster ~~paladins~~ ~~paladin subclass champions~~ champions

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AFAIK their adhere more to 5E pallies, being more combat focused with options for sporadic casting, but no deity simping required.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No, you specifically need a diety in the original and in the rework.

Specifically, in the rework all alignments have been removed, therefore the alignment requirements for the champion subclasses, and the champion subclasses themselves have been removed.

Instead, in the rework you select a diety, you must then adhere to that diety's edicts and anathemas, and then you are granted specific powers from the diety according to that diety's domains.

Deity and Cause: Champions are divine servants of a deity. Choose a deity to follow; your alignment must be one allowed for followers of your deity. Actions fundamentally opposed to your deity’s ideals or alignment are anathema to your faith. A few examples of acts that would be considered anathema appear in each deity’s entry. You and your GM determine whether other acts are anathema. You have one of the following causes. Your cause must match your alignment exactly. Your cause determines your champion’s reaction, grants you a devotion spell, and defines part of your champion’s code.

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[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where does it say the champion subclasses ('Causes') have been removed? Your link points to the legacy content, I think, but that would be a massive change for the class, I'd like to read more

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

They haven't updated the Champion yet, I think it's scheduled this quarter? But with Alignment gone they indicated they'd make the "subclass" system diety based, as it should be.

The Remaster Champion is in Player Core 2, which is listed as available on their website, but hasn't been updated on Archive of Nethys. I don't have the book myself, but according to a blogpost (https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6uib0?Player-Core-2-Preview-The-Champion-Remastered) about it they said they still have causes, they are just not bound to alignment anymore.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Champion update came out in July

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Monte Cook’s Arcana Unearthed (or is it Unearthed Arcana?) Oathsworn.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"That'sh not what your mother shaid lasht night...oh, wait, that doeshn't work here."

"Oh yes she did. Only too well. Unfortunately. She kept her illness from me. 'Til all I could do was mourn her."

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Sometimes ya gotta give em a little shlap