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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 months ago (4 children)

"Justin Trudeau has proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed. The Liberals have let people down

Can't argue with that. I'm worried though. I'll vote NDP but I have a bad feeling Conservatives will win.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

At least that means a less conservative (ie LPO) Ontario premier...

But with the US electing swinging to what we laughably refer to as the left, I wonder if it could cause the CPC trouble in the upcoming election. Could hope for a coalition government...

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tories will be even pissier than usual if there was a legit coalition government, hell it's even in the wording of what Pierre sent Jagmeet, that the s&c is propping up something that wasn't elected and the like, literally the same shit they did back in the Harper years.

Shocking, a Harper minister sounding like Harper.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

He'll govern like Harper too, like Harper if he grew up on 4chan.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

But with the US electing swinging to what we laughably refer to as the left, I wonder if it could cause the CPC trouble in the upcoming election.

No. We lag behind the US's shifts here, which is why it's important to PP to get the election rolling before the year is out. While he'd still probably win an election next year, in all likelihood it would be a much smaller victory should the Yankees actually send any kind of message rebuking the naked fascists running this year.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

At least that means a less conservative (ie ~~LPO~~ OLP) Ontario premier…

Eh, I'm not sure Crombie is much less conservative than Ford. I feel if she becomes Premier, we're going to have to wait another cycle of shifting right-then-left until we have a chance at an actual progressive government.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think it is certainly arguable, it's fairly standard political hyperbole. Singh must remember not three months ago Bill c_58 came into effect, banning scabs (replacement workers) from being brought in during a strike or lock out.

The claim "proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed" is, frankly, demonstrably false.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Bans scabs.

Forces arbitration.

(Polinever is still a shit face baby nazi weasel)

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Polinever is still a shit face baby nazi weasel

Yes, and while I am a liberal who generally supports the Liberals in Canada, I absolutely will vote to keep Pierre out of power, whatever that means at the time. I have no real animosity with social democrats.

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[–] Yezzey@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They are going to try the old Biden Harris switcheroo...

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's practically a Canadian tradition to swap out an unpopular party leader as either a sacrifice or a rebrand.

Kim Campbell has entered the chat.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Weirdly enough, Biden.

[–] Yezzey@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ugh, no.

The problem is that the LPC has little or no bench strength. Freeland was probably the best option and she's been Hillary'ed by the CPC and the right-wing media over the last four years. After her, the bench is very thin: O'Reagan's similarly tained, Carney is a corporate tool, Leblanc isn't far behind. It gets pretty thin after that. I think they're looking at another Dion/Ignatieff-style wasteland as they try to figure out how to find a leader who's cool and popular without worrying about them doing anything.

The NDP has it worse. They really should have kept Mulcair or selected Angus. They'd be in a much better place now, if they had, though even then the media would just try hard not to cover them, like they're doing with Stiles in Ontario, who is very good but doesn't get any airplay.

[–] wmcduff@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Bachrach has been doing some good things, like taking VIA home for Christmas to point out that passenger rail should have priority. He doesn't have the experience that Cullen did, but he's promising.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

"Justin Trudeau has proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed. The Liberals have let people down

Lil' PP will show us how THAT's done.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Last week, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre called on Singh to pull out of the agreement.

Calling Singh's statement a "media stunt" in a post on X, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre criticized the NDP leader for not saying whether he will vote non-confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity.

Conservatives moving goalposts constantly... colour me surprised until I'm blue in the face.

[–] voluble@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Poilievre is making a string of very strange political gambles. Doing the rhyming nickname thing, trying to look like a cool badass, going on a string of unusual, foolish-looking, public attacks against rivals.

If the Conservatives don't do as well as expected in the federal election, I wonder what's next for them, from a leadership, attitude, and policy standpoint.

This will be Gen Z's first real federal election to participate in. I'm very interested to see their impact. Convention is to assume that the young won't vote, but, life and livelihood for the youth in Canada has never been worse, at least in my lifetime.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If there's a glimmer of hope I have despite the current >99% CPC majority projection, is that Canadian youth will look to the US, see how much the outlook changes between June and November to know what is possible with an engaged electorate and the appropriate leader to match.

What we've got to figure out here is either how we can remove FPTP or come out with a proper plan to vote strategically. Like look at this fucking "Leans Conservative" riding. A massive hunk of bullshit, I tell you.

https://338canada.com/59038e.htm

Edit: I missed a word

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

FPTP needs to be stopped. The court needs to get its head out of its rear end and actually call this method of voting antiquated and no longer appropriate.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Young men have really lost their way.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago

To Poilievre it seems to be a game he needs to play as hard as possible to win. I bet he's semi-open about his disregard for accuracy the moment the cameras are off.

Honestly, I blame the voters for not noticing.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You have to give credit, this is top shelf troll work.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I supposed you could say he set a trap and it sprung, but I think this more of the NDP taking a stand on the Rail strike arbitration issue.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

I wrote to my MP about that.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Defintly seems to be alluding to breaking the rail strike, which is a big deal.

I really worry this will result in a conservative government, however the Liberals cant take the NDP support for granted.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm hopeful the LPC will maintain confidence through their term with NDP support, in absense of the formal agreement.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

Agreed. I'm hoping this is just a shot across the bow.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Strategically, this a move that I think shows to the Canadian labour bloc, that actions like what the Liberal minister did to the rail workers don't go without consequences. Singh can harp on, consoling and hugging union leaders if he wants but rescinding the agreement is one big step above just talk that is within the NDP's power.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

for sure.

It definitly has a Catch 22, because I dont want to see a snap election, I think the conservitives have too much a chance of forming a government, and as rough as the Liberals can be, the conservitives would be far worse... but we can't have the NDP just being unwavering support for the Liberals.

I think that the majority of voters will look past what happened to the rail workers. It's not a labour issue many understand or hear about.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Hopefully that will encourage voters to see them as a viable alternative to Liberals and Conservatives.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Singh said the Liberals will not stand up to corporate interests and he will be running in the next election to "stop Conservative cuts."

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

We are so fucked.

Edit: to be clear I just think Singh is not the leader to bring us an NDP government. I think they'll end up gaining only a couple of seats, because his election performance has not been very good.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

I'd have much preferred to see the agreement last until next year. Finish at least getting the senate bills passed, give Trudeau another year of appointing liberal and, basically, not conservative senators.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

the video was scheduled to go live online at 1 p.m. Wednesday.

Seeing this at quarter past the hour I went to look for it at the ndp.ca website. It does not appear to be there. I followed the link to their youtube channel. Not there either. Presumably it's on fucking twitter or something. Please do better, NDP.

Anyway, the video can be seen at cpac.

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